On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, you wrote:
> I doubt you'll listen, I doubt you'll care, but as a Christian, it is my
> duty to speak to those who are lost.
This is known as indoctrination technique, it is used by all cults to
attain new members. Only religions which practice this offensive technique of
forcing their will upon others have survived (as logically only those should)
while benign religions which do NOT impose their will under penalty of the
sword, fear of suffering in some kind of hell, or whatever have died out (as
have the benign religions such as the wiccans, and pagans).
BTW, I do listen, and I do care, and I have been told that I am
"christ-like" by more than one person who knows me personally. Unlike you
christians, I am free of hate, tho I do feel frustration sometimes. ;o)
> You don't think you are lost, in
> fact you probably think that I've given into a myth, but let me ask you
> this: This so called 'myth', that has worked miracles and prophecies in my
> life for the past 20 years, how is it that his prophecies are all correct?
Prophecies are often subjective and misinterpreted. Miracles happen to
me too, only I wonder at the amazing properties of "life" not fictitious gods.
> Why does it speak of a 200,000,000 man army in the east and China reached
> that number in 1996?
The bible speaks of a lot of things that make absolutely no sense
unless you go _way_ out on a limb with your "interpretations". Jules Verne
prophesied in his fictional tales, with incredible accuracy, how life would be
today. So did Arthur C. Clarke when he wrote about global communications
satellites WAY before sputnik was ever launched. These men were visionaries,
they were NOT gods. The same may hold true, but to a far lesser extent for your
favorite work of fiction, the christian bible, tho it is poorly written.
> Why does the bible speak of pillars of smoke, blood
> and death that rise to the heavens, thousands of years before a nuclear
> bomb was ever created?
Pillars of smoke, rise into the heavens (what we now know to be outer
space)? One interpretation could be nuclear bombs exploding. Another could be
a forest fire which also produced pillars of smoke rising high into the
stratosphere, and along with it blood and death of everything in its path.
Interpretation of scripture is subjective, and as all things subjective, can be
manipulated to suit ANY particular purpose, especially if you ignore the parts
that don't fit, and concentrate on the parts that do.
> Why does it speak of a revived roman empire before
> the E.U. decided to move towards that direction?
If the EU forms a conjoined army, they will not call it the "Roman"
army, it will be the EU Army or something similar.
> Why does it speak of
> increased seismic acitivity and there have been more earthquakes in the
> past 50 years than the previous 300?
Did we have seismography back 300 years ago? Do you know why today
people freak out over a few parts per BILLION of lead in their water, when just
10 years ago it was undetectable, because our technology at that point only
could detect down to parts per MILLION? We detect more earthquakes as the
equipment used to detect them is improving year by year. You are failing to
understand the Principia Scientia, as do all religionists.
> Why does it speak of stange weather
> and increased terrorism?
You only know of more terrorism because the "world has gotten smaller"
thanks to global communications. When I was a kid, we knew nothing of the
Soviet Union, but today I see news from the Russian Federation daily (on the
web). Just because we have access to more information does not mean that
terrorism, or warfare is any greater today than it always has been.
> You want a whose who of prophecy coming true
> today, you can do two things: grab a bible and a newspaper and read
> comparatively, or go to www.glennbeck.com and their end of the world link.
> Where you can see close to a hundred prophecies of GOD, GOD, GOD that have
> ALREADY COME TRUE!
Again, prophecies are subjective, I'm sure I can interpret them with
equal accuracy to prove something completely different.
> Why is there a chip for your right hand that holds all
> of yout information?
The chip is not going to be embedded in the hand, where it can be
broken. "The Chip" or "biochip" as some call it is not new. Biometric tags
(as we scientists call them) have been around for years, I began using them with
laboratory animals in the early 1980's. Back then however, they were much
larger and only contained a unique identifier (serial number). Later they
would give the ID number, and the body temperature. Today they can hold vast
amounts of information, including complete medical history. The optimum place
to insert a biometric tag in a human would be in inner upper arm, just below
the armpit of either arm. Very little direct impact (which could break the
glass capsule) occurs in that part of the body. That will be where they will
be implanted as that is where implants are placed today (glass birth control
implants for example). In laboratory animals, we used the neck.
> Why has Jerusalem become a nation again, like GOD
> foretold? Why has the red heiffer been born so they can rebuild the temple
> in Jerusalem after 2000 years without one? You answer me those questions,
> if you would.
"God" said there was a flood, that covered all the mountain tops.
Where did that water recede to? If both polar ice caps were to melt, the oceans
would rise 28cm, hardly enough to get your feet wet! :o) Again I point out,
there are many provable falsehoods in the bible.
> I have already prayed for you. I have prayed that GOD takes peace from
> your mind and from your sleep.
Shame on you! Wishing ill will upon others is wrong! I don't wish bad
things upon YOU! Why do you christians always ask your god to SMITE YOUR
ENEMIES, when we atheists (and antichrists) wish only that we all just get
along! I don't wish ill upon you, but I do have pity for you and your black
heart. I hope someday atheism smiles upon you and brings you true love, which
comes from true knowledge and understanding of our Universe.
BTW, what does your deity jesus say about wishing ill upon others?
Given that, I'll save you a place in hell, right next to me. ;o)
> I pray that Jesus shows you the truth
> before it's too late.
The only thing that "shows the light" is people such as yourself who
work as unpaid recruitment officers for the industry known as religion.
> You may not believe in heaven or hell, but I
> guarantee you they both exist.
Prove it. As a Scientist, I am _forced_ to prove everything, yet
nobody is forced in religion to prove any of it is true (because it can only be
proven false, so they don't try). If heaven (what we know today to be outer
space) exists, then prove it to me.
> You need to decide to choose life and not
> death, in the name of Jesus.
What about the Sumarian god Christa that jesus was based upon when he
was created (as a fictional character in the new testament by Calpernius Piso)?
If Christa came first, wouldn't he be the more optimum god to worship?
> Do you know what is rediculous to me? The fact that scientists, explain
> our creations as the big bang. I don't see creatures forming out of the
> gases at a gas company.
You find logic in that statement, because I don't. What does the big
bang (a supernova beyond anything we've ever witnessed in the galaxy) have to
do with natural gas (a product of bacterial decay of dead plant life)?
> They say we evolved from monkeys (someone get me
> a banana) and yet, there are STILL monkeys.
We didn't evolve FROM monkeys, or more accurately, from APES. WE ARE
APES! Man is just another fork off the several species of apes that exist.
The DNA in the Orangutan is so close to our own, that they are our closest
cousins in the ape world. WE forked away from what ever the Orangutan and Man
both came from (some other form of primate), and so did the gorilla, and the
chimpanzee. We are all very much similar, right down to our DNA.
> You base your beliefs on
> man's flawed knowledge. 500 years ago, they thought our planet was flat
> and that the sun revolved around us.
Yup, and so do you, the flat earth has hell below it. Your bible says
so, go read it! Galileo was jailed because he contradicted the bible by saying
the earth revolved around the sun, not the other way around! I bet you feel
pretty stupid right now (or will you do like most christians and reject the
parts of the bible that disagree with your ability to believe)?
> And you'd stake your salvation on
> that?! They have a law and trust me I know about science, that no
> scientific fact is without the possibility of being proven incorrect.
That is true, all scientific principles are subject to scrutiny.
However, I subject your RELIGION to scrutiny, and you get upset, why?
> God has been 100 dead accurate. No flaw, no mistake. no rewrites.
Or in my opinion 100% dead wrong, because I interpret it differently.
> bible knew the facts of earth long before science did.
Heaven is not where it is supposed to be, outer space is. Of course
the sand dwellers that invented the Sumarian religion upon which christianity
is based had no way of knowing that. Islam explains the stars as "lanterns".
> You can research
> every question I asked you earlier. I guarantee you, you will find them
> all to be truth.
I did not become an atheist without careful consideration. I examined
the bible, and deemed it to be false, it's as simple as that.
> You can research every scientific THEORY and find that
> man commonly thought something else before they thought that!
But Science changes with the times, the bible does not! The Catholics
teach NOT to use a condom, which causes the spread of AIDS. Speaking of which,
doesn't disease prove there is no god? What kind of god would create disease
to plague his pets (us)?
> says this causes cancer and it doesn't, then they retract it.
SCIENCE doesn't retract it, the FDA does! One is founded upon truth,
the other is funded by campaign contributions. If you give the government
enough money, the FDA will approve mercury as a dietary supplement!
> They say
> drink 8 glasses of water and then retract it.
Drink what you require, just like any other animal on the planet.
Drink water when you're thirsty, forcing water upon yourself CAN'T be good!
You don't see any OTHER animal on earth drinking water in excess. My
philosophy is to eat when I'm hungry, drink water when I'm thirsty, and so on.
> They make medicine that
> does nothing to heal. When I HAVE SEEN with my own two eyes people get
> cured of incurable cancers that claimed the lives of those who depended on
I am a professional research Scientist. We have a term for this, it's
called "spontaneous remission". From my research with rats, one out of 10
controls (who receive NO TREATMENT for the cancers they have) will
spontaneously "heal" from the cancer. One could say two things, that 1 in 10
will get lucky and the body will find a way to defeat the cancer, or god loves
only 1 out of 10 albino sprague dawley lab rats who are dying of cancer.
Until you can show me a 100% cure rate with prayer, I'll reject it.
> Science admits that it's flawed in it's very nature.
And religion does not, it claims to be flawless, and unquestionable!
> They can't even cure
> a common cold that I can pray away with high results.
Prayer = psychotherapy. Happy thoughts can cure disease as well as
religion. The body responds to the mind, thus depression causes illness, and
conversely, happiness causes health. Statistically, living without the love of
a woman can shorten a mans lifespan by TEN YEARS while smoking statistically
only shortens a mans life by 6 years. BEING ALONE IS THE MOST RISKY BEHAVIOR
THAT A MAN CAN HAVE! This should show the power of the mind, the need for love,
and how the body is governed by the mind. This also explains why you believe
in a god, and how this belief in a god works for you.
Loss of Life Expectancy Due to Various Causes
> Geez, Einstein
> believed in God!
Einstein was an atheist. "It was, of course, a lie what you read about
my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do
not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed
it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the
unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can
reveal it." -- Albert Einstein
You may search the web for proof that I am not making this up! I
suppose now you are going to stop admiring Einstein, who wasn't even born in a
christian family anyway, his family was jewish! Jews are inherently antichrist!
> I have no reason to lie to you.
You moreover lie to yourself.
> I don't have a church,
> I'm not out for your money. If I had no care for your soul, I would say
> nothing and let you damn yourself. But, as it stands, the prayer is at
> his feet and WILL be answered.
Science is my god, but not my master, I am master over Science!
> You'll feel a tugging and nagging at your
> spirit, you won't be able to shake off that calling in your spirit to come
> to him.
That tugging is your need to mate, you confuse the want of religion for
the need of a good woman. Man is most happy when he is in love.
> You are now in trouble and the Lord will show you and save you.
> get ready.
Good christians die daily, some of horrible catastrophes, or illness.
Babies are born blind, or without spines every day. God loves us so much he
would allow innocent babies to be born dead, crippled, blind or retarded.
Science explains all of this, we may not LIKE the answer, but we can ACCEPT the
truth, while religion only makes us wonder why our god would be so cruel.
> Pleasant dreams...lol!
Remember, what goes around, comes around. As you wish evil upon
others, evil will come back to you. Pleasant dreams to YOU. Oh, and I hope
you feel shame for wishing ill upon others, because I would feel shame, but
then maybe you are devoid of morality, some humans are, we call them criminals,
and most of them end up in prisons after committing violent acts upon others.
Less than a hundredth of a percent of the inmates in US correctional facilities
claim to be atheist, the majority claim to be christian.