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From: Dan <name-removed@some-ISP.com> 
To: james@antichrist.net 
Subject: Former Preacher... 
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 02:07:46 +0000 
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Dear Believer,

      You asked me to consider Christianity as the answer for my life. I have
done that. I consider it untrue, repugnant, and harmful.

      You expect me to believe Jesus was born of a virgin impregnated by a
ghost? Do you believe all the crazy tales of ancient religions? Julius Caesar
was reportedly born of a virgin; Roman historian Seutonius said Augustus bodily
rose to heaven when he died; and Buddha was supposedly born speaking. You don't
believe all that, do you? Why do you expect me to swallow the fables of
Christianity?

      I find it incredible that you ask me to believe that the earth was
created in six literal days; women come from a man's rib; a snake, a donkey,
and a burning bush spoke human language; the entire world was flooded, covering
the mountains to drown evil; all animal species, millions of them, rode on one
boat; language variations stem from the tower of Babel; Moses had a magic wand;
the Nile turned to blood; a stick turned into a snake; witches, wizards, and
sorcerers really exist; food rained from the sky for 40 years; people were
cured by the sight of a brass serpent; the sun stood still to help Joshua win a
battle, and it went backward for King Hezekiah; men survived unaided in a fiery
furnace; a detached hand floated in the air and wrote on a wall; men followed a
star which directed them to a particular house; Jesus walked on water unaided;
fish and bread magically multiplied to feed the hungry; water instantly turned
into wine; mental illness is caused by demons; a devil with wings exists who
causes evil; people were healed by stepping into a pool agitated by angels;
disembodied voiced spoke from the sky; Jesus vanished and later materialized
from thin air; people were healed by Peter's shadow; angels broke people out of
jail; a fiery lake of eternal torment awaits unbelievers under the earth ...
while there is life-after-death in a city which is 1,500 miles cubed, with
mansions and food, for Christians only.

      If you believe these stories, then you are the one with the problem, not
me. These myths violate natural law, contradict science, and fail to correspond
with reality or logic. If you can't see that, then you can't separate truth
from fantasy. It doesn't matter how many people accept delusions inflicted by
holy men; a widely held lie is still a lie. If you are so gullible, then you
are like the child who believes the older brother who says there is a monster
in the hallway. But there is nothing to be afraid of; go turn on the light and
look for yourself.

      If Christianity were simply untrue I would not be too concerned. Santa
is untrue, but it is a harmless myth which people outgrow. But Christianity,
besides being false, is also abhorrent. It amazes me that you claim to love the
god of the bible, a hateful, arrogant, sexist, cruel being who can't tolerate
criticism. I would not want to live in the same neighborhood with such a
creature!

      The biblical god is a macho male warrior. Though he said "Thou shalt not
kill," he ordered death for all opposition, wholesale drowning and mass
exterminations; punishes offspring to the fourth generation (Ex. 20:5); ordered
pregnant women and children to be ripped up (Hos. 13:16); demands animal and
human blood to appease his angry vanity; is partial to one race of people;
judges women to be inferior to men; is a sadist who created a hell to torture
unbelievers; created evil (Is. 45:7); discriminated against the handicapped
(Lev. 21:18-23); ordered virgins to be kept as spoils of war (Num. 31:15-18,
Deut. 21:11-14); spread dung on people's faces (Mal. 2:3); sent bears to devour
42 children who teased a prophet (II Kings 2:23-24); punishes people with
snakes, dogs, dragons, drunkenness, swords, arrows, axes, fire, famine, and
infanticide; and said fathers should eat their sons (Ez. 5:10). Is that nice?
Would you want to live next door to such a person?

      And Jesus is a chip off the old block. He said, I and my father are one,
and he upheld every jot and tittle of the Old Testament law. Mt. 5:18 He
preached the same old judgment: vengeance and death, wrath and distress, hell
and torture for all nonconformists. He believed in demons, angels and spirits.
He never denounced the subjugation of slaves or women. Women were excluded as
disciples and as guests at his heavenly table. Except for hell he introduced
nothing new to ethics or philosophy. He was disrespectful of his mother and
brothers; he said we should hate our parents and desert our families. Mt.
10:35-36, Lk. 14:26 (So much for Christian family life.) He denounced anger,
but was often angry himself. Mt. 5:22, Mk. 3:5 He called people fools (Mt.
23:17,19), serpents, and white sepulchers, though he warned that such language
puts you in danger of hellfire. Mt. 5:22 He said Think not that I am come to
send peace on earth. I came not to send peace, but a sword." Mt. 10:34 (So much
for Peace on Earth.) He irrationally cursed and withered a fig tree for being
barren out of season. Mt. 21:19 He mandated burning unbelievers. Jn. 15:6 (The
Church has complied with relish.) He stole a horse. Lk. 19:30-33 He told people
to cut off hands, feet, eyes and sexual organs. Mt. 5:29-30, 19:12 You want me
to accept Jesus, but I think I'll pick my own friend, thank you.

      One of Jesus's many contradictions was saying good works should be seen,
and not seen. Mt. 5:16, 6:1-4 One of his mistakes was saying that the mustard
plant has the smallest seed. Mt. 13:31-32 The writers of Matthew and Luke could
not even get his genealogy straight, contradicting the Old Testament, and
giving Jesus two discrepant lines through Joseph, his non-father!

      I also find Christianity to be morally repugnant. The concepts of
original sin, depravity, substitutionary forgiveness, intolerance, eternal
punishment, and humble worship are all beneath the dignity of intelligent human
beings and conflict with the values of kindness and reason. They are barbaric
ideas for primitive cultures cowering in fear and ignorance.

      Finally, Christianity is harmful. More people have been killed in the
name of a god than for any other reason. The Church has a shameful, bloody
history of Crusades, Inquisitions, witch-burnings, heresy trials, American
colonial intolerance, disrespect of indigenous traditions (such as American
Indians), support of slavery, and oppression of women. Modern "fruits" of
religion include the Jonestown massacre, the callous fraud of "faith healers,"
recent wars and ethnic cleansing, and fighting in Northern Ireland. Religion
also poses a danger to mental health, damaging self-respect, personal
responsibility, and clarity of thought.

      Do you see why I do not respect the biblical message? It is an insulting
bag of nonsense. You have every right to torment yourself with such insanity -
but leave me out of it. I have better things to do with my life.

Dan [REMOVED] (Former Preacher, now Atheist)

 
Editor's Note:   This is actually quite good!  Now as you read this, think about the fact that christianity is in reality, a meme (a thought virus), developed by the romans to placate their slaves.  If you were creating a religion to encourage people to BECOME and to REMAIN as slaves, what would you say?  Love your mother and father, or run away from them, and be on your own, alone and dependent upon the state (slave owners)?  Be wealthy, or be poor, and dependent upon your masters?  Have possessions, or give them away?  Enjoy this life, followed by "an eternity in hell", or suffer in this life, followed by "an eternity of happiness"?  A typical roman aristocrat might have told his slaves, "You wash my feet today, and I am in Heaven in this life.  But woe to me, for I shall perish and spend an eternity in HELL, while you, tho you be suffering as my servant in life, shall upon death, receive a palace of gold, and spend an eternity in bliss".  We still use this trick today, we tell our creditors "the check is in the mail".  You decide after reading this, if christianity is real, or is merely an ancient tool, which was used by the roman aristocracy to placate their slaves.  About the author: Dan was an evangelical minister and missionary who did everything from writing songs and skits for children, to working with youth groups, and preaching street sermons to adults.  However, somewhere in the course of this career he began to be aware of the fact that his religious beliefs were in serious conflict with his intellectual knowledge about our scientific world.  This is his letter to those of you who still believe in the existence of god(s).

 
     
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From: Todd <name-removed@some-ISP.com> 
To: james@antichrist.net 
Subject: Dan, the former Preacher 
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:55:16 -0500 
I don't know if you got sucked in, or you think you know this guy, but you
are lying, and I really don't care cause you know it, if not then I am
telling you now.

DAN WAS NO PASTOR.  I am no pastor, but just reading the first part of his
letter I can see he was never a pastor for the things he says goes against
anything taught at seminary school.

This is the statement, and if he claims he was a pastor have him contact
me.

Dan wrote:  The biblical god is a macho male warrior. Though he said "Thou
shalt not kill," he ordered death for all opposition, wholesale drowning
and mass exterminations; "

If Dan were a real pastor he would have never said the above for it has no
logic what so ever.  I will not even explain it to you, but if you want to
do some research look up the original word that was used in "Thou shall
not kill."  It means so much more than just the four words you see there.

I think it would be correct to stop saying Dan was a preacher, so prove it
or correct it.

For your info, I can go on the web and become a preacher in about five
minutes, but that is a piece of paper.

Todd
     
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From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net> 
To: Todd <name-removed@some-ISP.com> 
Subject: Re: Dan, the former Preacher
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:50:41 -0600 
Todd wrote:
> 
> I don't know if you got sucked in, or you think you know this guy, but you
> are lying, and I really don't care cause you know it, if not then I am telling
> you now.
> 
> DAN WAS NO PASTOR.  I am no pastor, but just reading the first part of his
> letter I can see he was never a pastor for the things he says goes against
> anything taught at seminary school.

        I have tested his credentials, he is genuine.  I suppose he's public
enough I can give you his full name, and the title of his published book.

   Linkname: Freethought Association | Dan Barker Press Release
        URL: http://www.freethoughtassociation.com/essays/barker_press.htm

   Linkname: Amazon.com: Books: Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist
        URL: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1877733075/6270462

        Dare I say it, but if Mr. Barker's claims were not true, the christians
would be ALL OVER that fact, pointing out the fraud of this atheist!

> This is the statement, and if he claims he was a pastor have him contact me.

        Well, you ARE full of sh*t, but here's his email address nonetheless.
Dan Barker <name-removed@some-ISP.com>

> Dan wrote:  The biblical god is a macho male warrior. Though he said "Thou
> shalt not kill," he ordered death for all opposition, wholesale drowning and
> mass exterminations; "
> 
> If Dan were a real pastor he would have never said the above for it has no
> logic what so ever.  I will not even explain it to you, but if you want to do
> some research look up the original word that was used in "Thou shall not
> kill."  It means so much more than just the four words you see there.

        Geez, you sure are a _consistent_ idiot.  Read these pages.

   Linkname: Answers to the "God's Favorite Ways to Kill" Quiz
        URL: http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1102/answers.html

   Linkname: Answers to Wrath of God Quiz
        URL: http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1100/answers.html

   Linkname: Answers to the Wrath of God Quiz | Part 2
        URL: http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0102/answers.html

> I think it would be correct to stop saying Dan was a preacher, so prove it
> or correct it.

        I just proved it.  Now you my silly annoyance, can go SUCK EGGS! 
Initially, I enjoyed your emails, as you work to prove your religion is a sham,
and your god is a lie, however, you've become quite a _pest_ lately.  :o/

> For your info, I can go on the web and become a preacher in about five
> minutes, but that is a piece of paper.

        Shows the true worth and validity of people like "Dr." Kent Hovind
(Doctorate in Theology).  ;o)  His Ph.D. took an hour, and cost $105.

James