Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:52:24 EST
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: 666....i just dont know ne more...15 year old kid thats looking for
    answers


hey whats up..just woundering if u could help me out with some of
this..ur sites great makes me think alot....if this email doesnt work u
can hit me back up at
[removed]@yahoo.com...<----copy and paste that one


Well if you dont follow god then who  do you follow??..by saying your an
atheist it seems to me you are putting yourself into a category with
other beleivers which sounds strangely familiar to a religion...now as i
see if you label your self as atheeist it seems you are just followin the
doctrin of the first person to say "i dont beleive in god"...so in tun is
that who YOU worship

How can god know what's going to happen if humans have free
will?.....well according to the bible he gave us "free will"..therefore
he is the moderator and provider of it....also the bible says he is
omnipreset so because of that he is always with us...also the bible
states he or she is all knowing

"love thy neighbor " why would this quote matter to you if you werent a
christian or you were an atheist?

dealing with homosexuality.....its not a religious judgement...a
judgement is given by an individual who does not represent a whole a body
an organization or a religion.....it is againt the christian religions
moral and or values but is not a "christian judgement" if a
christian(single) decides to judge then that individual is comitting the
so-called sin

thanks for ur time..i hope u answer back or tell me what u think...


Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 16:46:07 +0200
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: :)

Dear james...

I am a 17 year old girl..and i read alot of things about religion. I have to
say that u are not well informed about Jesus..
I agree on some things u said but u cant be sure if u dont see them with ur
own eyes.. In jesus time, people were stoopid and somebody might came and
said a few things and they thought that he was the choosen one...

Antichristians are those who BELIVE that Jesus came..and they believe that
somebody else will come and will do the opposite things. He will be the
wicked one born by a whore...
Others who believe in Lucifer, also believe in God because Lucifer was a
fallen angel.. (In greek its : "tagma ton eosforon") it means that if there
was a god there was an angel too...

Anyhow, i also listen to metal and wear penticles and stuff but i prefere
not telling anyone about my religion.. Religion is something that helps me
in my all day life...

                                   From : deathgirl


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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:53:00 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: And...hello again!




HI!

     Ok, I have a question for you. In the song K@$%! off the Life Is
Peachy album by KoRn, he says "..my big compoto bitch.." . Seeing as I am
so dumb and you are so smart, knowing so many languages and all...I
thought you might know what 'compoto' means and what language.

THANKS A WHOLE BUNCH!!!!!!! ;-)  ;-)


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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:28:56 EST
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: Hi!



        Please check out this web site:  Ex-Atheist.com
I have read your web site in totality, and I invite you to read this one!
   Actually READ it, it's profound!  The guy is brilliant.

Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 20:46:23 +0000
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: please read this, i really need to know what you think

is there anyway i could have a screen name for antichrist, or can i sign
up for one? i reaal want to know

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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:06:24 EST
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: JESUS AND HIS SAINTS

HE IS THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS YOU DEVIL WORSHIPING
PIECE OF EVIL SH*T. I HOPE YOU LIKE SMOKING SH*T STACKS IN HELL
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENINGYOU F*CK. MOST CHRISTIANS ARE NOT AS
PASSIONATE AS I AM. IF I WAS GOD FOR A DAY YOU WOULD BE LOWERED INTO A VAT OF
SH*T, 55 GALL. OF IT FOR A THOUSAND YEARS
BITCH. JESUS COMES SOON .    YOUR GONNA BEND YOUR KNEES AND SAY
HE IS THE LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS ON THAT DAY YOU F*CKIN
PRIMORDIAL GASTRO-INTESTINAL SH*T BAG.
MAY THE LORD TOUCH YOUR HEART WITH LOVE THAT ABOUNDS
AND HIS PEACE. REPENT BEFORE YOUR A FLAME BROILED WHOPPER
AND IF YOU DO , IM SORRY ABOUT ALL THAT IVE SAID
BUT I'LL STILL CALL YOU A F*CKIN SH*TBAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GOD BLESS
ANGRY CHRISTIAN CHRISTOPHER

Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:26:51 EST
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: JESUS IS KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS



WHY DONT YOU ANSWER ME YOU COWARD F*CKIN SH*T BAG. F*CKHEAD!!!!!!!
IN CHRIST, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ANGRY CHRISTIAN,
CHRISTOPHER

Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:57:38 EST
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: web page



  You are not an anti Christ. I know you have been told by religious ones
that you are but your not. No atheist is an anti Christ. I am sorry to
burst your bubble. You are against organized religion. Is there something
wrong with that? No, in fact organized religion created by man to keep
the masses of people under control has been the plague to humanity since
the beginning of man. You want to destroy Christianity? Well, the so
called (most) Christians you see today are a product of the Catholic
church which is just another form of organized religion created by
translating the bible again into a book to politically keep the masses
under control. They disguised the truth into another form of religion.
The original "Christians" were still very much considered as Jews. Thats
why you will find Paul telling them to follow the law but that the law
would not save them. Why? Because the pries ts of that day were preaching
those people into rising up against Rome which was going to create their
own hell on earth. Destruction, yes the king James translators translated
it into hell which is another freakin myth. That destruction came in
70ad. The end of the world is a wrong translation, it was the end of that
age the messianic age or that generation. Why do I tell you these thing?
Because I want everyone to come out of the dark ages. I want people to
realize that it is history and if we do not observe what has happened in
history it can repeat. I realize you say you do not believe there was a
person named Jesus. That doesn't matter at this time how you believe in
him. What does matter is that you realize that the Bible has been
translated with very Gnostic overtones and mysticism. In all reality this
person named Jesus was very much against organized religion. Dont believe
me? Let me show you. the only way to really destroy something is to get
educated about it. You cannot defeat ignorance with ignorance. You have
to be armed with truth. the scripture saying the weapons of our war fare
are not carnal (guns,bombs etc.) but spiritual (meaning attitude) are
mighty in pulling down the strong holds (things that keep people trapped
in their minds). I challenge you, I am a friendly person and dont bite
:). If you would like to take this challenge here is your first lesson on
hell. No it is not an everlasting place of punishment.
http://www.what-the-hell-is-hell.com/WhatIsHell.htm
  Satan was an office probably the office of the sanhedrins the ultimate
law makers. The devils were his followers (mainly the priests) Demons
were the bad attitudes created by those priest who were teaching the
people to hate etc. Is any of this starting to make any sence to you? In
any case I await your reply even if it is to tell me to go to hell :)
  Sincerely Denise

Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:52:02 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Hello James




Hows it going James,

     I have some quotes and what-nots I wanted displayed on your
motherload section or some page.

     Also, I have my own page http://antichrist.0catch.com I didn't mean
for it to happen but it is quite simular to yours. Instead of competing
agains you site or copying it maybe I can help with yours. I know html,
so I can help make pages. Just a thought, want to do my part.

     If you could, display my msn user name: [removed]@hotmail.com This
way maybe atheists and myself can have discussions. I don't mind my
contact list being flooded. Up to you though.

Just some ramblings. I find them interesting.

The perfect God needs our worship. This perfect God has an incredibly low
self-esteem for being perfect. For only a Being with no self-worth would
need people to worship him. Sound as perfect to you as He does me?

"Any Phenomenon as complex and as vital as Christianity is easier to
describe historically than to define logically..."
Encarta Encyclopedia
As you see here, people alike describe Christianity as complex and
illogical. Why would a religion need to be complex? You believe in God,
follow his orders. Simple as that. I suppose then that would be logical.

"What is known of Jesus, historically, is told in the Gospels of the New
Testament of the Bible..."
This is from Encarta Encyclopedia. This proves that even encyclopedia
research teams only have the bible as a reference tool when it comes to
Religion. The only thing Christians base their religion on is one book,
that has been translated, and translated again, then further interpreted
to the extent that no two people interpret it in the same way. Go figure.

If ignorance is bliss, then Christians must be ecstatic.

"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich"
-Napoleon Bonaparte

"I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who
has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has
intended us to forgo their use."
-Galileo

"I don't believe in God, because I don't believe
in Mother Goose"
-Clarence Darrow

"The Bible tells us to be like God, and then on page
after page it describes God as a mass murderer.
This may be the single most important key to the plitical
behavior of western civilization."
-Robert A. Wilson

"Myths are wonderful - you can do anything with them"


"The most formidable weapon against errors of every
kind is reason. I have never used any othger,
and I trust I never shall."
-Thomas Paine

Cutner reports that scholars have been awareof the
error (jesus on the cross), but have been unable to
resist the traditional mistranslation. Any bible that
containts the word cross or crucify is dishonest. Christians
who flaunt the cross are unwittingly advertising a pagan religion.

At this point, absurdity having reached its limit
nothing more can be said except "lets pray".

"If fifty million people say a foollish thing it is still a foolish
thing."
-Anatole France

Religion can never reform mankind because religion is slavery.



Thanks for you time,

       EJ

      I'm perfect.

For humans are imperfect, thus making me the perfect human.


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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:59:19 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Hello...



Well, firstly, I don't believe in Mithra, Zeus, God, or whatever they are
calling 'it' now-a-days...but that's beside the point: what I wanted to
know, personally, is why some people, like myself, are actually BORN
STUPID (in my case my stupidity was also fostered, because both my
parents happen to be white trash)...I know it has something to do with
inheritance of genes, but not entirely sure of the whole deal of how the
bit works...because my brother turned out a jack of all trades, very
gifted, and as far as I can tell that doesn^Òt run in the family (perhaps
a lucky mutation?) I don't have time to research it more in depth, I'm
too busy making a half-assed effort to get my high-school diploma (sad
but true, the best I can hope for is scrubbing sh*t out of toilets for
minimum wage, and no, that's not a self-held conviction, it's been proven
by several I.Q tests, but who gives a f*ck, certainly not you) The reason
I am asking, is because you said yourself you are a genius, and so I'd
like an informative scientific reason why I'm such a dumb-ass. If it^Òs a
complete waste of time, don^Òt bother replying to this; however, anything
useful would be greatly appreciated.


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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:52:22 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net



I understand your views. And in fact, I'm very into Christianism. My
religion is Roman Catholic and we believe in the Triune God. Meaning,
there are 3 persons in One God: God the Father, the Son (Jesus
Christ), and the Holy Spirit. Hard to understand, isn't? That's why we
call it a Mystery. Probably you've heard about this Mystery. According to
our Church Teachings, the true human dignity is that God made us in His
own image. And because He loves us, he gave us freedom. But this freedom
doesn't mean like doing anything what you just like but doing what is
right (I've learned this in our Morality class). So if you think being an
anichrist is right, we Catholics don't care. We don't care
about everyone's beliefs but we care about everyone make sure that
everyone is doing good and right to his/her neighbor and surrender to
God's love. We do nat discriminate. It's like democracy.  I don't
know what other Christian r eligions think about it 'cause sometimes
they're exagerating and really are ureasonable. But to us Christians,
religion doesn't matter. What matter is that we are all Christians. I'm
not trying to tell you to convert yourself instantly to Christianity
(it's not that easy) but to do what is right. What is really right. And
of course, Before I forget, the decision is yours, if you want too
believe, believe, if not, please believe at least. You won't be an
antichrist if there's no Christ. And please, please, please, give respect
to what we believe in. Don't try to destroy Christianity 'cause even if
you think Christianity is a myth, that myth is what makes the people
unite and help each other, promote peace, love, and make this world
right. In short, Christianity is our hope, Christ is our hope. And even
if you think what I've just said is stupid, I don't care. As long as you
RESPECT us. It's like giving respect yourself 'cause we are all alike.


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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:15:07 +0530
To: webmaster@antichrist.net



hi,
    my name is rahul, i am 16 years old and i am a hindu. i have been an
atheist for as long as i know ,and always wanted to express my feelings
about this faith that people have in god. i hope you dont mind me doing
it on your site coz there arent too many anti'hindugod' sites.
i personally feel you(christians) are lucky...you have one god and one
holy book(i hope i am right)...but what about us? we have a million gods
and each god has a million names!we also happen to have an innumerable
number of books about every god.i am happy people like you are spreading
this antichrist thing for i still havent been able to understand why
people ever invented the whole god concept. i say 'invented' coz thats
what it is...either our forefathers had nothing better to do or they were
too stupid to realise that we arent here because some gods did magic
tricks.
believe it or not...its hard being antigod in india....i am certain now
that it was a whole plan that the forefathers thought of coz they wanted
to trouble the future generations...and they started rituals, ceremonies,
"pujas", started lighting lamps, made up chants and songs and stories
about people who were apparantly visited by these gods after 100's of
years of penances....i mean...have you heard of some of he hindu god
stories?they are absolutle ridiculous and full of bullsh*t and have
poisoned the minds of all those millions of gullible hindus who now feel
that standing in front of the god for an hour each day, praying to a
lifeless stone statue is going to help them.help them in what?do people
pray to god coz they are just simple greedy for money and expect it to
tear the roof and fall from the sky?well....help them.peolple who pray
night and day are the weakest of human beings who have lost all faith in
themselves and so are ready to hand over eveything to this so called
god.i am happy that i am an atheist and i pity all the fools who waste
their time nd money praying to stone and pictures.
god and religion is the root of all evil..i mean look around you...every
large and war and fued i know of has its roots in religion and in
something that no one has seen....cant these idiots realise how stupid
they are?at least for the sake of heir gods...cant they stop all this
killing?i am not telling anyone to believe in the devil....just dont
believe in anything at all...except true scientific facts...the truth
that tells you how you are here....if that is the biggest question of all
that is.and as for god..forget him or her and get a life...believe in
your self coz your life is in your hands and id not governed by and
f*cking god.

rahul

p.s. i have a lot more to say...maybe next time.


Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 17:37:15 +0000
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: CHRIST 4EVER


dear james i'm a christian girl and i dont know why r u an antichrist.look
in our religion we're peaceful but there's some persons who don't know about
christianys well like the senders of the last e_mails so don't be like this
change u're life(don't be a christian person but don't hate the CHRIST  cuz
he loves u remember that all u're life and don't let satan lead u're life.
                        all love klara




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Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:08:28 -0500
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: RE: Fwd: Re: your mail


I am sorry that you have confused me for someone you can get to come to
"your side" (something you hate for Christians to do to you).  There is no
war inside of me, there is a war between me and wickedness.  I have not
insulted you or what you believe, or lack thereof, but you continue insult
my religion, which inturn, insults me. i.e., "that which you beLIEve in is
bullcrap.  Calling me an atheist when you have no clue what I think, is an
insult to me.  I do not appreciate the fact that I have not insulted you
but you have insulted me.  I wish that we could be friends because you to
are intelligent, but your sinfull ways and your wickedness sickens me.
You say I want to be an atheist, you could not be any farther from the
truth. Your comment about Jesus and Julius Caesar being the same is based
on a mathmatical equations which is not right when applied to life.  That
equation, a=b, b=c, therefore a=c.  Jesus Christ and Julius Ceasar have
the same initials so they are the same person.  Wrong. I have a friend,
Casey Crane, and a cousin, Christa Crider.  Same initails, but two
different people.  You hold nothing sacred because I did not give you
permission to post my private e-mail to you and if you are any kind of
decent person you will remove it.  Thank you.  Finally the next time
someone tells you they love you, I want you to take that love, put it in a
jar, and sample it.  You can't can you.  So why then do you refuse to
believe in something you can't see.  I can hear him, I talk to him daily.
He moves within me and works through me (which he os doing right now).
Jesus most definitly exists, and is the only God that lives.

I hope you will one day join me and my Christian brothers and sisters in
the fight against Satan.  I don't want you to go to Hell.

I still pray for you,
Andy

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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:19:57 -0800
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Anti-christ

Sir:
    I know that you are a disgruntled x-christan who thinks that by
maintaining a bull-sh*t website like yourself  you are
shocking. All I can say is line up with the likes of mad muarry ohara,
Fredierich Nitzsche and Jim Jones.Because
you are as dumb as they were. Also, I think Metal Music Sucks. Have a
nice ASS-HOLE DAY.LOSER!

Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:26:27 -0800 (PST)
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: FROM HELL

Greetings.  My name is M. Cardenas. I've been monitoring your site for
some time now and I think it's time for me to speak.I notice that in your
site that many do not realize what it is to be "A" "Anti-Christ" They take
the words in the bible and assume that it is a non-beleiver and that they
simply must be athiest and hate the church. Some dress in black and play
guitar, OOOOH! their so evil... HAH!!! To be for the Anti-Christ is to
aknowledge that God and Satan exist and that humans are grey and are
capable of being either and both. To be Anti-Christ is to choose Satan
over god and await the coming of the true "Anti-Christ" that will come and
fool in a disguise of the angel of light forming a one world Government
and Religion. After purging the world of the christians, Jews and Muslims
who beleive in the one true God (HATERS) the earth will be in a state of
bliss and all humans will have god like powers. Heaven(HELL) on earth.
Shangri-La. And in the tribulation this heaven will reveal its true form
of Satan's palace in the fiery lake and the earth will belong to him with
all the UN-BELIEVERS (ME and others). And will burn for eternity right
under heaven.

Notice how it is said UN-belivers and not NON-beleivers.

-GOD's MESSAGE-
"It came down from heaven
A message from the king
I could not comprehend this thing
I killed the messenger an Angel
It was easy
So fragile" By: M. Cardenas

For those who doubt god exists are the truly ignorant, Adiest and
athiests. It's not the question of whether god exists. It's the question
of, do you beleive what he says? For worshipping Satan I know more than
these so called Anti-christians.I don't think you may know it but many of
your symbols are from Ancient Babylon. You know the tower of babble. Those
who thought they could eveolve into gods were crushed under God's wrath.Oh
yeah the flattery of being told or the thought of being an evolving god.
Evolution is another Satanic maelstrom of contreversy. Everything on
planet earth evolves, in the bible god states that there will be many
species and many variations with in that species but none shall be created
with out his hand. Sorry buddy but your just a worthless peice of flesh at
an evolutionary dead end that never had a beginning.

-TO HELL-
"Eve and Adam call to us
Were going back home
With ancient knowledge
From Eden
Back to Shangri-La
HELL!!!" By: M. Cardenas

All who practice homo-sexuality are the people of Satan it also says some
where, that also holds true. Any Lesbians and Homo-sexual men reading
this... You will join us in the fiery pit with us UN-Believers.

But do not be frightened Athiest and Adiest who are confused on the
matter. You will be given a choice of where you want to go... The eternal
flame that destroys and tortures, Satan or Amongst the clouds with angels
in eternal bliss, God. And in this time of choice you will be left on
earth alone and with no one to help you while everything around you
burns.I hope you choose the first, we look forward to having much company
in the lake of fire.

I await the coming of the Anti-Christ so that all the God loving
christians, Jews, and Muslims to be slaughtered at Satan's hands.

And those Unitarians... What the hell was their problem... I mean come
on... Am I right??? (CRICKET CHIRPING)

I'll speak with you soon...
And I'll Meet you in the flame alittle later.

Shangri-La

Heaven... oh I mean HeLL On Earth.

-HUMAN-
"A painting of God
A shattered mirror image
Impure and flawed
Lacking in every aspect
Small and insecure
A sniveling little worm" By: M. Cardenas

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Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:37:02 -0500
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Your Web Page



James,
    I noticed that you consider yourself to be a fairly moral and just
person.  May I ask what standard you judge morality and justness to?

Thanks,
Johnny


Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:08:56 EST
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: (no subject)



dude this site is so f*cking awesome! E-mail me to talk.

Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:20:12 -0500
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: All American AntiChrist


Greetings

I am a 16 year old male living in Kentucky. Today I wore a Marilyn Manson
shirt today and the principal made me take it off. This made me extremely
angry. A girl said that my shirt was "Against her religion". I do not see
how this is possible. All the shirt says is "Marilyn Manson" and it has a
picture of his face with a rose on it. Now how is this in any way against
ANY religion? Especially Christianity? Does it say anywhere in the bible
not to listen to Marilyn Manson or does it say that he is evil? Marilyn
Manson has always claimed to be the AntiChrist. But there is more than
one antichrist in the world, seeing as how the prefix "anti", means
against. In essence, AntiChrist would be against Christ. But I am not
truly against Christianity. I do not believe in God, worship any
religion, or anything of the sort. I am against closed minded,
hypocritical Christians, who seem to have a never ending determination to
make every possible human in the world Christian. C hristianity is a
cult. It was forced upon slaves and is forced upon us today,
both directly and indirectly. I do not celebrate Christmas, yet still
they put the image of Christ through our heads. Everyday, when kids are
forced to say the pledge of allegiance, with the words "under God", they
are being forced. When the girl said it was "against her religion", could
I have countered with "Well, the symbol of a half naked dead man on a
cross that hangs around your neck is against what I believe." Is the
cross a symbol of hope or hopelessness? No matter what happens, I don't
think the land of the free, America, has ever been free. The founding
fathers of this "great country", even doubted Christianity. That is why
Separation of Church and State was created, yet people are still allowed
to wear cross in school. Freedom of speech is not enforced either.
Freedom of religion is torn apart. So are we truly free? When Columbine
happened, and Christians blamed Marilyn Manson for i t, was it justified?
Here comes the finger pointing. Isn't killing just killing regardless of
whether it is justified or not? The kids that commenced the Columbine
shootings actually disliked Marilyn Manson. Christians are scared. They
live in fear. Fear of hell and fear of their God that they supposedly
Love. What kind of God would kill his Children, then send them to HELL
for not believing? If their God does exist, I can understand why to live
in fear, as he would be evil. I am sick and tired of living in a
Christian world where religion is forced upon me. But nothing is going to
change their ideas, not even perfectly good reason. If God was truly
proved false, which it HAS BEEN, they would still believe. I feel sorry
for anyone who must live in fear of a higher force. Christians talk of
the "end of the world". We are all evil to them. But to all the
Christians who say this, I have this to say to you:  I examine the
America we live in, and I've always tried to show pe ople that the devil
we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us. So don't expect
the end of the world to come one day out of the blue -- it's been
happening every day for a long time. I hope one day you will all realize
not to base your life around a God but around yourselves and those you
love.

Sincerely,

Ben


Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:40:33 -0600
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re: Your comments...


Hi James,

I'll have to say that reading your e-mail makes me feel like I'm in an
episode of The X-Files.  *Grin*  I HAVE always wondered about the pyramid
with the eye on the dollar bill, and I shall certainly share your
interpretation with my interested friends.  Though I'll have to say that
it's difficult for me to imagine that, if such a conspiracy to reign the
United States with Christianity does exist, why there would be so blatant a
symbol!  Perhaps watching too many movies where deliberate clues left by
scheming "bad guys" led to their own downfall has made me a little cynical,
but if I was scheming to take over the US, I'd avoid exposing any clues at
all, and merely laugh evilly when the deed is accomplished and the nation is
at my becking.  :)  And to give every citizen a hint to my intentions has a
sketchy Hollywood scent to it.

No offense intended, of course.  This slight dissent in beliefs does not
invalidate my respect for your thoughts.

I do share your sentiments about the US degenerating to a socialist state
though, and using Christianity as a very powerful tool to manipulate the
masses.  I think a nation in war, much less a holy crusade, has a tendency
to conveniently overlook individual freedoms. From what my limited
understanding of current events goes, it seems like we're headed for war.

Did you create your website in an attempt to convince people of atheism, or
is it merely an out-stretched tongue directed at blind followers of faith
and irrational security?  I think it performs the latter outstandingly.  :)
But if you were going for the former, I'm guessing that the upside-cross,
the black and red color scheme, and the dancing flame among other things,
will do more to anger and intimidate those walking on the border of logic
and crutch than convince them of your thoughts.  And one more crutch-wielder
means one more supporter for the lack of freedom!  Personal opinion.  *Grin*

Rabby



> Hello Rabby,
>
> Thank you for your _very_ interesting letter of support.  :o)  We agree
> on a lot of points, but I must point out a few things.  You mention that
you
> feel the christian bible is "a white lie to help the weak".  I'm of the
opinion
> that the christian bible is a meme, to CONTROL the actions of the
slave-class!
> One thing about "elites" they give clues (just as my james page is a
rebus)
> hoping that people will find the clues and discover the secrets.  It was
no
> accident that when Piso invented the fictional messiah of the slaves, he
chose
> the name Jesus Christ (JC) a name with the same initials as his boss, the
> pontifex maximus of Rome, Julius Caesar!  This is just _one_ of many
"inside
> jokes" hidden within the bible, for the amusement of Roman aristocracy.
>
> You also worry that one day men with crosses on their helmets will come
> for you with rifles, because you don't worship their "proper" god.  I
disagree.
> Just as the Romans used christianity, so will the next oligarchy, the one
now
> forming known as the New World Order.  Nothing controls the servant class
> better than christianity!  The elites who master this new forming
oligarchy
> will use christianity the same way as the Romans did, to keep their
servants
> humble, hopeful, and submissive.  The men who will come for you will come
> because of your POLITICAL leanings (or as pol pot did, your intelligence).
The
> insignia on their helmets will be that of the NWO, either the UN symbol,
or the
> "all seeing eye" known as "The Great Seal" as depicted on the USA $1 bill.
I
> personally would think that will be the symbol, as the latin words which
you
> can read on the back of the bill are "Annuit Coeptis Novus Ordo Seclorum".
> These words have been translated to mean benign things, but MY translation
is
> the literal, Announcing Birth New Order of the World.  Seclorum means
"worldly"
> or can mean "of the world".  Thus the Masonic-looking "Great Symbol" which
> was placed on our $1 bill in 1935 by the socialist president FDR may have
> secret meanings that only the ELITES are aware of, elites such as George
Bush
> who was quoted as saying in a speech "The New World Order" in regard to
his
> future plans.  Is it any wonder that his son is now president, and able to
> complete that mission?
>
> It is clear to me, that the future of the USA is that of a socialist
> state with limited personal freedom.  Christianity will eventually be
funded
> using public (federal) money, and be rather heavily encouraged, since this
tool,
> which was invented by the Romans to control their slaves and KEEP them in
their
> place, subservient, submissive, and poor, has worked so well, and since
it's
> already in place, will be implemented by the NEXT reigning oligarchy.
>
> James
>

Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:02:47 EST
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re: SlipknoT and the infamous Des Moines Iowa.  :o)




James:

    I also have had a lot of fun talking to you! But wow, I can't believe
Iowa is that bad! I always thought of Iowa as a peaceful state with nice
little country towns and cute little corner shops. But I guess I was
wrong. Just a few days ago my friend and I were talking about moving to a
different state, when we got older. We were trying to decide which state
we were going to move to and the first state I mentioned was Iowa. But I
think now I am going to have to give that a second thought. The
government sounds really greedy. You'd think that somebody would have
came in and cleaned things up by now.
           I don't understand why Iowa pays its government higher than
any other state. I think that only because Iowa, from what I have
learned, has a lot of agriculture and it doesn't seem like it would have
a wealthy government, please don't take that offensively. I mean here in
Ohio the country, farming type counties are dirt cheep to live in.
         I live in Ohio and we have our low project areas, but they are
in the process of cleaning the bad areas up. We do have an insane amount
of Mexicans on Columbus's west side and Arabs are all around the Columbus
area. But really the only place I see Arab muslim people are in the gas
stations and dairy marts. I've heard of them having a high population in
Ohio, but I've never been to the areas, where most of them live, to see
how bad they are. But I'm not going to even get on the foreigners
subject, so I'm going to stop at that.
         Well, Iowa and Ohio have a little something in common because
going to church (christianity related stuff) is like on the top of the
list. It really pisses me off because they have this motto type thing
that says, with god all things are possible. At school they have a
christians in actions group and they go around putting flyers in the
cracks of our lockers about God and handing them to us when we walk into
the building in the morning. They also have articles in the school news
paper about how the theory of evolution shouldn't be taught in school
because the theory that God pointed his finger and people appeared isn't
taught. But they never have anything that goes against christianity
written in the school paper or on a flyer. And if you ever say anything
to the members of the christian group about how you disagree with their
beliefs and your not supporting them in anyway, they report you. Even if
you do tell them in an approp riate manner.
           Well, I hope things get better in Iowa. Have a great day, or
night.( I apologize for sending this so late, I've been very busy with
school and all and I haven't had time to write anybody.)

Danielle



Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:56:26 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Site still being updated? Here's something :)

Hi, stumbled upon your site doing, ehm, research;
coincidentally, I got one of 'those' emails again.
1+1=2 so I'm sending this in hopes of making someone
else laugh just as hard as I did. ;)

I'm making a mod (modification) for the computer game
Diablo 2 (Blizzard Ent.) - an action RPG (role playing
game) set in a medieval universe. Make a character,
level him/her up by killing evil, defeat big end
bosses, find better items, etc.

In our modding community, many newbies think it would
be a great idea to play as one of the enemy monsters
and/or twist their storyline to make the characters
evil. It's akin to the whole IM DEATHSATAN666 U WILL
ALL DIE attitude of 12 year old kids in online gaming.

Anyway, this was getting on my nerves, and looking for
inspiration for my new mod I decided to make a REAL
evil mod. Playable characters include the Antichrist,
Black Priestess, etc. with skills such as Sodomize and
Necrophilia, there is a long storyline involving a
fake Christ and a rebel named Khe Tulu, and instead of
the same ol' chainmail and longsword there are
Christian flesh armors and Raped Faith bows. Add a
dark grey and black color scheme and music by Cradle
of Filth and certain bands better left unnamed, and
you have something that seems to enrage a lot of
Christian dumbasses.

Anyway, most Christians understand that this is just a
*game* and that most of it is nonsense. But some
don't.

I have gotten no less than *32* pieces of Christian
hate spam up to now (mind you, only like 500 people a
*day* visit those forums) and they went from stupid to
very stupid. I deleted most of them to reclaim space
in my mailbox, but copied some snippets illustrating
the intelligence of the average person who mailed me:

'and besides, 75% of you europeans dont have
electricity so stfu' (ehm... more like 1% -Laz)
'man dont you realize???? ur helping SATAN! ur not any
better than those satan priests they executed last
week in chicago' (what execution? What has this guy
been smoking? -Laz)
'I think president Bush is right. Maybe shaddam (sic)
hussein has nothing to do with the 9-11 atacks but
they are islamites and I think god wants us to do
this' (been born 800 years too late eh? -Laz)
'(...) and your rendition of the Antichrist is a flat
out mockery. I have personally seen the Antichrist'
(well, I have seen Elvis in a flying saucer. *snicker*
-Laz)
'i would shoot my parents if i found out they were
satanist' (this guy's bound to end up on death row
-Laz)

The scary thing is that this is not some religious
forum, but a completely unrelated site about video
games. Makes me wonder how many of those persons there
are in entire Europe... or worse, North America...

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:28:00 -0800 (PST)
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: JESUSATAN, GODEVIL. CELESTIAL BALANCE

There is a balance to everything. Good Bad, Yin Yang, I could go on for
ever. The evolution of man into gods is so funny to me. I hate christians
as much as you do but that idea that i am my own god and that god is
everything in the unioverse so eveyone and everything is god. Oh
Hilarious! I hate to burst your bubbles but your, your own secular mind.
You hold no connection with anything other than pain and death. You people
are so convinced... Darwin was no Biologist but I am. He was an idiot.
Just a homo on a boat full of sailors who just spit up crap so he could be
remembered for something. Same with Karl Marx, they were just afraid to
die and not be remembered. So are you... admit it. Humans will be nothing
more than worms squirming futily. Trying so hard to be imortal. Youre all
pathetic. Take whats coming to you like a man or a respectable woman, HELL
is our one true home. Where we will burn for eternity and be destroyed....

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Date: 6 Dec 2002 01:15:25 -0000
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: the earth

James,

I read a good deal (some of) the material on anti-christ.com. It's very
interesting, entertaining and alltogether thought provoking.

I won't pretend (yea i know you think [we] Christians pretend all the time
and most of the time your right - the average Christinan is just playing a
game) I disagree with most of it - but that does not change the above
paragraph.

I would be very interested in knowing what your idea of a perfect or near
perfect society is. What would it look like and who would draw the lines
as far as moral 'law' is goes?

Also, the Nazis.
You can't tell me that they were wrong (well, yes you can), but by what
standard are you judging them - yours? Hitler had his set of morals - he
believed in right and wrong just as much as you do - he believed that
ultimate good would come through a pure Aryan race. How can he be more
wrong than say, cant

Sincerely
Arthur


Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:35:15 EST
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: this is why i believe(probably one of the best you'll ever
    recieve)giveitachance




14 is when it began (dream):
I was in a room with people and then there was a trumpet blast, and the
door to the room flew open, a man in a robe flew in, landed, he turned
around and i said "Oh, f*ck!" he then snapped "there is someone in hear
who speaks of a word f*ck" his voices was like waves of the ocean, all
eyes were on him, he was in control of everyone's minds. then the scene
turned all black, the ground disappeared and i began to fall into what
seemed a bottomless pit and i screamed while falling , then woke up in
sweat.

I had not read hardly any of the bible in my life to that point, and i
had not been to church in 3 yrs, my mother used to read me bible stories
when i was a child, babtized at 7



before i even read books of the bible, i had dreams that fortold the
future, i am not a psychic
I was in Florida at the time and 18
1.my mother's death(alive at time of dream, but slowly dying) I was what
appeared to be a heavenly surrounding, my mother appeared wearing a white
robe and began to tell me things, then a huge grusome beast appeared
bound in chains
2.events of my life that would occur spuratically over 2 years after me
returning to Georgia, when each event occured an extreme feeling of
deja-va would occur. Man could not explain these things.
3.the future destruction of america
4.fighting horrible creatures too dreadfull to describe with a sword,
they disappeared when i struck them
5. i was in what seemed to be a medevil surrounding and i was in a jail
releasing men from it, the men said "its him!
6. an old girlfriend leaving my friend for me and he becoming very
jealous
7. looking up my friends name in the phone book and my ex-girlfriends
name next to his! a voice said the first name of my ex-girl and the last
of my friends!
8.a man descending from the sky, i drive by the spot where it happened
everyday now yet i was in Florida at the time

all these dreams happened the first time i read the first parts of
revelation in church after not going for 7 years!
Rev:12:7(4), Rev:9:7-20) desribes the 4 creatures, all John 16:, Rev:1:7.
Luke 20:27. describes why these things will happen. sir, i challenge you
to read these. I swear i am not lying to you about these dreams, my job
is not to convince but reveal
the day i left, the last thing my mother said to me was "God has a plan
for you" i did not care about God at the time, only my so called "life, i
said nothing and never looked back

what is your oppinion of demonic possession?
When i returned to GA this happened
my ex was possessed and through intimacy she possessed me, i had
irrational fear and hate, unusual thoughts of suicide ability to read
one's mind.She acted this way before we got backtogether and the evil
spirit she was a host to infiltrated me through my lust and desire for
vengence to her. In high school she showed up in my circle of friends,
fresh out of rehab(crack,k,acid ect...). She went through all 5 of us
turned all of us against each other through lies. She had an extreme
hatred toward men for her father was a serial rapist. She tried to hire
people to attack me and make threats through lies and probably through
various non-intercource sex acts. It turned out, she went trough all of
us because of astrology reports. She is bi and her other bi friend used
to drink each other's blood, part of somesort of satanic ritual. dreams
of killing my friends out of nowhere. She started to see i completely
turned evil on her and only sought vengence for her partial destroyment
of my life. She left me for my friend? i was so enraged my possession
deepend. for strange and extremely odd reasons i told 4 people i was the
antichrist!. most likely because the first time i heard that word was
from this girl, she described one of her bi girlfriends as the
antichrist. i would say unusual things to him out of nowhere "like i got
you right where i want you". then it happened one day she said "we are
getting married", that is when the flash occured of dream( 7). She had
bruises that would appear out of nowhere. one night while i was not
around, this girl started to rck back and forth then pace around the
room, then jump at people, and speak in tounges, she must have been taken
over by a spirit. my friend(not her current boyfriend) told me of this.
he made everyone leave the room and started to pray over her, she would
snap in and out of possession when he would say jesus or jehova. then
school started, they were living together,engaged just as prophesized, i
was two days away from getting off 6-month proby and i was pulled over
less that a 1/4 mile from my house(i had one beer an hour earlier) passed
every field test, even guessed the correct time!, told him i could throw
a rock and hit my house, but he still took me to jail. That was my 3rd
arrest, the 1st was my 19th birthday, 2nd was one of my friend''s
birthday, 3rd my ex's birthday. that is too odd. I used to pray to run
into her and my friend so i could pound him viciously, this hate was not
my own. My mom would call me and i could barely spreak in full sentences
without yelling, i told her i thought i was the antichrist, she said no,
you are a child of god, all the sudden the hate temporarily left me, but
returned later . The last few times i spoke to my mother she kept on
talking about how great my name is, saying i was named it for a reason,
and the last thing she said to me was i would become some person some
day. Then my mom died shortly and i was not supprised. but deva stated at
the same time. During time with my family, i told my aunt what she said,
she said you will fight the devil but only with the blood of jesus. when
i returned home, the pieces started to come together, i told my friend
who lived downstairs that "i am Michael". he is a jehova's witness and
they believe christ is michael. his name is daniel and the book of daniel
is the first to mention Michael, Dan 10:20 & 12:1. the reason why started
saying i was the antichrist was because the spirit minipulated my
thoughts,speech,dreams and well being and i turned into the opposite of
who i was,  the pro-christ. That same night i dreamt evil men were all
around me saying it's him, its Michael!. I then learned that angels
neither marry or have children. i will never marry for this world is no
place for the innocent. i then thought that the devil murdered murdered
my mother because of who is am and was minipulating people around me to
cause me to self destruct. This is the fi rst time in about 8 years that
i have been able to write and express my thoughts fluently on paper.

before i read the bible i had visions of the future which came to pass
over a period of two years, i have been possibly been aproached by a
biblical figures in scriture, one is either jesus or the devil, i could
be a prophet, angel or the antichrist. but i am not against him, i'm for
him because nothing man made will last forever and the creator is greater
then the created. fact is now fiction. lies have become the truth. evil
prosper and good suffer. evil-live. devil-lived(he wants you to feel
there is no god, that why there are so many religions today, so men will
rely on his science, math and other men for their answers because because
jesus has been gone for so long) bad things are coming soon, the freedom
we have will cease to exist one-day and people are going to wish him
instead of their money, drugs, movie stars,musicians, psychics,astrology,
pleasures, indulgences, sex ect. these are nothing but diversions that
exist from the absence of god and this system will not l ast forever.
whether you believe in satan, god, jesus or not it will effect you in the
end because our country is run by satan worshipers and those who do not
follow the rebellion against god will be destroyed because this life only
exists because god is giving satan a chance to become a god. I may be the
only one who personlly will not be afraid to actually fight satan, i'm
not scared to die for there is nothing in this world that i will
miss(exept family) prepare youself, though i may be wrong about our
president, i am not about my visions. i did not mean to ramble like a
school girl but i would like to see how one would explain this, you can't
it's the truth.

MIchael


Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 04:30:40 EST
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: (no subject)



Why do you devote a page to try to discredit christianity?  I am just
curious as to why they bother you so much.  Toby

Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:01:55 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Thank you




Ok I was just goofin and came across your site, I am extreamly pleased.
It may not have all the things I believe in but thats not the point. Not
at all. It explains it "all" in a way which I have felt for my short 17
years of life. I have faught with anger, sadness, ignorance as well as
many others to attempt to figure the whole religion thing out, nothing
has worked yet but I am attempting to make my self a better person in the
process of doing so. I have had bad experiances with christians, not one
of them has turned out right even though I was open minded as much as I
could be and tried as much as I could with out "getting sucked in" to
understand it, even if i felt I was getting "sucked in" I still didnt
feel right, even if I lied to myself and said that is how it is.

   I just want to say that I am greatly influenced by your thinking and
your reasons for your thinking. although I havent been on earth for very
long, I can still feel that you have been around, gave things long and
hard thought before you have made a decsion on your beliefs. I have to
say I am in the process of doing so myself, I now use your knowledge as
inspriation for my future.

   thank you,

        April 17


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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:37:27 -0800 (PST)
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: LITERAL SENSE

Its me again...

YOu know what your problem is? You take the bible to seriously. Would you
keep and open mind and read it more than once. Try to find metaphores,
symbols, etc. if you have read it BACK WORDS... oops I mean BACK WARDS,
like I have you could see something very special. I wont tell you... Do it
and you'll see.

We are ANATHEMA you will all join us (PATHETIC HUMANs). Your biggest
mistake isn't doubting God. It was thinking your ancestors were monkeys.

The definition of god is flawed because a human made it. God may be
insane, but what is insanity really. I quote, "There is no right, there is
no wrong! Just popular thinking!" -TWELVE MONKEIS- And what you say is
that you make the most sense and that to beleive in god is to be inferior.
No one, obviously, wants to be inferior, so the only way to be superior is
to dis-believe.

I hope you post this up because I know who is wrong, Christianity,
Catholicisism, Islam, Buddhism, and every one else including you is wrong
about everything. I even encountered a new religion that beleives in
"Psychotic Gods" that gods and godesses up in the heavens are just men and
women that were the originals and have gone insane with power.

I have traveled the world and the "eight seas" seas
I have seen much madness....

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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:14:05 +0100
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: hi



i want to become a member but i don't know how


Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:58:53 EST
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: be accurate



by definition an "atheist" can't be "very religious" . you simply dwell
in a state of babylon(confusion). "christ" ="kristos"="krsna"(annointed
one) or "enlightened one" (Bhudda). I also deny the Roman tainted version
of Christianity, for that is the true anti-christ.(THAT"S WHY THEY EAT
HIS FLESH AND DRINK HIS BLOOD & WEAR & WORSHIP HIS CORPSE)
I know we were all force fed their poison, but don't let that turn you
from the most high, that is their true intention.  peace!

RASTAFARI

Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 23:58:36 -0600
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: Mmm.. hello there.

Hiya-Heya;
At first when you posted your site, I was a tad skeptical, thinking to
myself "Oh.. great, another little mongoloid defiling a great subject.."; I
was visiting the domain name again one day because I finally had the time to
read the previous owner's site in which he had posted a fiction online story
about a man finding himself as the anti-christ.
Well, in truth, I haven't yet taken the time to read all the material from
your site, but after viewing tidbits here and there, I guess I've decided
there is some actual intelligence here. :)

As for myself.. I was born under a Christian mother and a distant Athiest
father.. I went to Bible-School, and ah.. actually came to be an Altar-Boy
for the local church when I was 10 years old (and yet, I still cry tears of
bitterness..). For now, I've quite taken a path of resentment aganist
mainstream religion, particuliarly Christian religions; although I am
religiously neutral, and do respect when others have followed into a certain
faith..
Mostly, the resentment was in spite of everything.. not of my own motivation
of freedom from such, but more of to reject everything my life was brought
up to be..
At the age of eleven, I began to see through the nonsense.. I began to
question the truth.. mostly because I never did believe in a God, even when
I was a small child and was taught about all the wonders and miracles of the
Holy Trinity, I only listened as if they were fairy tales..
>From then on, I have found myself to be an Athiest; although through
disbelief in one or multiple deities, I do tend to research all religions
and their mythologies.. creation, heroes and devils..

I really have come to despise those of ignorance.. simply doing things
aganist righteous nature and going off saying "Oh yeah, I worship the devil
and whutnot; I spit blood through my teeth and kill animals.. Rarrr..". It's
whut really made me skeptic of having your site with all those symbols of
simplicity.. inverted crosses and fire..
But with ignorance, I also have come to hate those moments when impolite
jocks or the like have to go and say "man you fxcking faggot ill go find you
and kill you i fxcked your mom suck my dick you dirty hoe..", and always
have to repeat that same thing when you actually try to teach them some
sense and morals..

Personally.. I am musically inclined to Industrial Rock, and I do listen to
Marilyn Manson (in which I hate when people listen to him purely because of
his controversy, or when people neglect him for just posing an act..). I do
follow his morals, and have enjoyed his music even as a Christian when I was
seven years old.

Sometimes, I believe that people are too unstable, and have to cling to
their religions for balence, as the easy-explaination of life..
I remember my English teacher was stating how Athiests were simply too
ignorant to believe in God and was impossible for him not to exist,
practically an insult. I was quite tired at the time, but really, I believe
that most true Athiests (this is a certain variance to an Athiest.. this is
simply stating the mind of one Athiest, and not all) are not ignorant, but
believe the history and system is to too flawed to follow, too many gaps
(this is not my belief, actually, just a theory).

I also have had several theories on 'God'.. although there are only two that
I can think of on the top of my head..
-Quite possibly, God could simply be a child of a huge civilization, simply
constructing an Ant Farm.. something that could be born, advance into
titanic nations, and burn out.. without even be mentioned at a dinner
table..
Following-up.. as God can grow, he also becomes bored of his little
experiment, and abandons the project as he matures.. slightly explaining a
lack of any supernatural activities.. Whut happened to the miracles of the
Bible? Where is God and his floods for the Evil-Hearted, and his hand of
govern?
-Err.. damn it, I forgot while I was typing up that last theory..

Alright, I've lost my entire train of thought, and I apologize.. I'll try to
continue when I've recovered my mind..

-ZDemi
[A feeble 14 year old boy seeking love of the world. :)]



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Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 02:53:53 -0500
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: on deviant behavior after the "born again" experience



Since you are an apostle to the Anti-Christ, you know quite well that
Lucifer will draw himself and his footsoldiers to those closest to the
truth of the Christ.  His time here is short and he certainly does not
waste his time on those already in his posession.  Peace my brother
James.


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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:26:42 +0100
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: From an old buddy of yours...


Hi James,

I was lucky enough to stumble on to your site back then, when you were a
person full of hatred. You were claiming the copyright of being THE Antichrist,
you made all shorts of prophesies (i.e. your famous earthquake that was
supposed to take place in Las Vegas), you were behaving like the non-existent
God of the Old Testament with the 7 plagues etc.
I can´t help noticing that you have been through some serious changes that
IMHO made you less funny but more meaningful. You are now a scientist with
a solid academic background and performing laboratory researches. I would
like to congratulate you on that but allow me some remarks:


1. Science can be sometimes just as rigid,orthodox,uninspired and boring
as religion. There are numerous examples throughout the history of progressive
scientists who were laughed at and discriminated by the majority of the
scientific community of their era (consisting of christians and atheists...).
They were considered freaks, lunatics and were excluded from any "serious"
scientific activities just like the church excommunicates persons who don't
conform to certain "spiritual" requirements.
As you beautifully say, the truth is not always black and white. You only
reproduce the whole good-evil distinction by condemning religion and praising
science. Both can be good or evil but it depends what you make of it. Atheist
doesn't necessarily mean strong and religious doesn't always mean weak.
 It seems to me that you have fallen into the trap of duality that is responsible
for the misery of humankind. OK, I agree that it is more obvious in religious
matters but I would expect you to be able to distinguish that not everybody
who claims to be -for example- a christian acts like a christian as well.
It is simply the front, he chose to fight from in (t)his eternal, stupid
fight. So please avoid associating  a religion, a movement, an idea or whatever
with the persons who supposingly represent them, only because they act under
its "label" .
Example: Christ said: "Love thy neighbour as thyself" . If you kill, discriminate
another person EVEN in the name of Christianity, then you are definitely
NOR a Christian NOR a typical example for all christians.


2. I personally don't have the need to proclaim my belonging or not to a
certain religion. I do somehow feel religious and admire many personalities
judging from their life und not from their being atheists,christians,pagans
or not. Buddha said:" Practise what I preach. If It doesn't work for you,
forget all about it". This is the ultimate answer to everybody's desperate
need to belong somewhere. It is a psychological drive but you actually don't
have to belong anywhere (science,religion,republicans etc) to be somebody.
Just be.


3. God is definitely NOT an old man with a white beard, who is watching
& judging us all the time. It is easy to understand why atheists object
to the idea of God since He impersonates for them a non-existent authoritarian
figure. So, if as a teenager you had problems at home or in your school
environment by persons who claimed to believe in God, then you react by
not believing in Him.There are many such examples in your email section
James. It is understandable.
(Almost) Nobody likes to be judged, to be told what to do.(Almost) Everybody
(thinks he) wants to be free.
Who is restricting our freedom? ---Our family, our schoolmates, the headmaster,
the priest, the society...
What do they have in common?----They believe in some kind of God and the
threaten anybody who dears to be different with terrible sequences (a kind
of hell).
What's the reaction?---I hate them. I don't want to be part of them. I reject
them and their stupid God,who has given me nothing but fear and sorrow.
So, there you have another teenager atheist.
Understandable but somehow childish, don't you think James?

If it works for you to be atheists, feel free to be one. But if you want
to learn about God, then forget all the crap you have heard from people,
who used God as a justification of exercising their authority upon you.
They don't have a clue what God is all about. They represent only the
process of the "conditioning" you have to undergo in our "very human"
society, in terms of a "proper" socialisation.
Reject it and move on with your lives as you please. Free yourself from
any symbols and the need to be against or in favour of any
symbols(religious,political etc). It's only a different view of the same
coin. Just follow your own path.


Best regards,


Giannis

PS Sorry for my spelling.




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Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:31:43 -0500
To: james@antichrist.net


I sent you an e-mail on either the fifth or the sixth.  If you did not get
it, the letter basically said that I do believe in God and everything that
the Bible says.  I have seen how He is working with my life.  I also do
not like being called an atheist when I am not.  That is an insult to me.
That would be like calling you a complete idiot when I can tell you are
not.  You know a great deal about what you believe, it just so happens
that we do not agree on the same beliefs.  I hope that I have not insulted
you, because that is the last thing I wanted to do.
I guess that we are going to have to agree to disagree.  Take care James,
I cannot spend all my time on the internet talking to you.  Please do not
take that as an insult, it is not meant that way.  I say that because I
have a lot to learn about my religion.  That is one good thing I can take
away from talking to you, there is a lot I don't know.

With prayers,
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Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:05:19 -0500
To: webmaster@antichrist.net



You're wrong and you're crazy
I hope you don't really believe this


Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 02:30:32 -0500
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Please Forward. Jenova



Antichrists? None of you would know an Antichrist even if He were to
stand before you.

Christians, Catholics, and even the Baptists make me want to vomit.  Why
do they want to convert to the fact that god is a holy spirited figure?
Why haven't they found Jesus yet? Why won't they tell us what the temple
of god really is?

Jesus is dead now, as a living species on this planet you live and you
die thats it there is no coming back.  Your great followers of Roman
preachers let Jesus die.  For fear that they would loose there
brotherhood and have to work in a normal life.

Heaven and Hell, there is no such place.  what ever you do in this life
reflects you in this life.  You mess up, you then are punished were you
stand.  You do what your supposed to, you are then rewarded.

I hope someday very soon you will all understand our purpose for being
here.  the only devious creatures in this universe are you filthy
bloodsucking humans.

Do you, for even a second, think you are the only ones and there is only
one god. Look around you,  long ago they knew the answer to that.  From
here on this planet, all through out Mars, before your fifth planet
became the asteroid belt, and all the way through the galaxy that you
will probably never ever see.

Us as Mankind can achieve Jehovah's greatness and his wisdom, but in
reality you won't. Too greedy and too foolish.
You can't even live a day in a utopia society without tearing each other
apart. And to darn ignorant to what's real and what's not, just what seem
right to the many and still you argue.  You find the truth and you
destroy it because one is afraid to show that all of his efforts in the
many years was worthless. The Catholics are great for that, they lie
cheat steal, and rape our children and what do you do, nothing.

the greatest antichrist would be all of you.  All of you killed Christ,
even the Jews, and yet All of you still call his name.
clones of Jehovah, but will never admit to it will they, the temple of
god is in your own blood, don't believe me then look for yourself.  he
created you no different than we would make another,  to hope that maybe
he could achieve something, but like Frankenstein, we destroyed the
creator.

Millions of years has the Divine Creator's race moved on, and us for a
whopping 50,000 and we can't understand what's beyond our own backyard,
and let some fool tell you what he wants you believe to benefit his
wealth.

Although I found the Answers, and there is no need for me preach to you
because you believe in what you were told.
Perhaps though, if you were to step away for an instant and look at the
world today, then you would probably see that we are in dire need of
help, God will not save you even if he was to return, instead of worrying
if the good man exists or not and weather you believe in his desires or
not, you should start believing on what is happening now, worry about
your damn selves and the others around you.  Cause if you really believe
that you are just gonna do enough to get you into heaven or hell then you
have just wasted this reality, and screwed the future of mankind once and
for all.  And therefore just sent all of yourselves into Hell.

God does exist!  I have seen the proof, and you can too.
Only if you look beyond the written scribes, and make-believe magic that
he possess. You'll know when you find the truth when you see that
the ANGELS are no different than the rest of us, only that they have
passed the test of time.


                                                        Sephirot 2

P.S.. the blood of the           ancients courses through my veins,
      beckons            me to do something, something
that                       hasn't been               done since the
Lucifer Rebellion



Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:06:20 -0800 (PST)
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: BULLSH*T

Im really getting sick of this man... People from all over the world
claiming they listen to Heavy Metal and are fans of anime. Attaching what
they believe in to something cool. F*CKERS... Oh look at me im an
Anti-Christian!!! I hate christianity and I follow my logic! I hate
christianity and catholicism as much as you do james but these people
don't know what their talking about do they.

Could you possibly reply.
I really want to know what you think.
No Really...
Stop Laughing!!!

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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:45:57 -0800
To: webmaster@antichrist.net

Dear Webmaster,

           Although I am not an atheist, I am thrilled to see my own
views regarding christianity reflected by your website. I believe that
not only the christians, but also the jewish and muslim faiths are guilty
of crimes against humanity for the ridiculus belief systems forced upon
us, and the centuries of torture and wars we've been subjected to. Then
again, I suppose if I wanted to form a really successful slave culture,
I'd have invented christianity too.( That is, a slave culture dominated
by Caucasian people for whom the religion was designed to be used as a
tool in their quest for control of the world, it's resources and
people...)  I'm afraid billions of us will have to perish soon in the
name of these wicked theological traps. I say lets roll and get it over
with.


                      Vance

Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:05:45 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Hello




Hey, I went to your site and I found that your points are well proved. I
still can^Òt see how people in this modern day and age can believe in the
existence of god. My question for you is why you made this site. I do not
object to any of your ideas probably because I am also an atheist and not
into heavy metal or rage. Is your goal to open the eyes of reality to the
general public? Not to offend but if it is difficult to even mention the
idea of there not being a god to any catholic. It seems as if religion
makes them "stubborn" and simple minded.

- My name is Eric, I^Òm 14 years old and from New Jersey




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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:45:09 -0800 (PST)
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: His Love. . .

Hello, my name is Elaine and I am a Christian.

I just want to take a moment to tell you that you are
precious, priceless and so very valuable to the
Father.

However you arrived at your present place of thought
and beliefs, whatever you have experienced, I just
wanted you to know that above and beyond it all is a
loving Father and Son who desire to know you and have
you know Them.

You are loved.  You are valuable.  You are wonderful,
whole and priceless in God's eyes.

Whatever you have done in the past can all be forgiven
and washed away as though it had never been done.
Your life is so precious to Him that He would have
died for you and you alone.  You mean so very much to
Him.

If no other Christian has told you this before, then I
am honored to be the first.

Never forget in this world of spouting rules, do's and
don'ts, "us and them", hate and evil. . . that's man
not God.

He loves you, never forget.  He just wants to be close
to you.  He doesn't want anything from you.  Just your
love. . .

May God richly bless you and keep you close all the
days of your life.

Because of Him,

Elaine

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and your hope will not be cut
off."
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:17:45 -0600
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: The joke...



You know it's going to take about another 2000 years for people to think
it's bloody funny.  You want to go do your own thing yet, or should I
keep sending you emails for the next year.  Fwhahahahahahah!

PS - Beam me up Scotty.

Cheers,
Russ
???.??.???? [for some reason he posted his phone number]

ps - Seeya next year.  At Mardis Gras?  In New Orleans?  It's where the
people who are anyone go to be king for a day.  What a great idea!  Let's
do it together brother.

I'm you:

21 yo
SWM
searching for truth
???.??.????

=

Entry into a book of life which reads how I want it to read... I just
haven't written it down yet.

=

20 yo
hacker
searching for truth
???.??.????

=

Robert Boyd
20 SWM
???.??.????
No idea yet

=

Stop checking your email and let him do it already!  Bloody funny, right?

=

YOU EXIST so that means I DO!

=

GOD

=

I AM

=

10  NOT 01

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THE IDEA of an antichrist actually being able to even f*cking come close
to what jesus already did for us

=

LOTS of jesus impersenators, no?

=

UH OH

=

0

I just solved math last night.  What did you f*cking do for me?


Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:40:12 +0000
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: goritusa...goritusa

respcted james,
..................................what do i have to say........you're
already gettin' a hell lottsa believers already......hehehehehe........i
just can't get it..........but i'm seein' where this is all goin'........
the rise of the antichrist......his THIRD rising.....
let me ask you somethin'.....who do you think would be the
antichrist......
is it somebody from the middleeast.......obviously he's gotta be a
christian because he just can't siimply turn
antichristian.....................
i think you have pleased satan enogh..hehhehhe........
well...tell me do you knjow who the antichrist is .....
well i know who he is and he's still living  and he's in the
middleeast...........he's 21years old............you see.....
hope you'd reply back........

yours,
whipper.(goritusa hai umbriyona delaredas)

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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:30:44 -0500
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: ignorance



"Anybody with brains could realize
that christinity is a fake made up religion."
Do you realize that by making this quote that we only have one brain, not
many brains, goes to show who has a brain and who has none.  It also
shows that you are shallow just hitting the very surface of thought.
Never thinking beyond cliche. I don't find you compelling or even
interesting.  Don't bother writing back because I've argued your
arguement when I was ignorant and now that I am wiser I would kick the
crap litterally out of any arguement you might have.  Unless you are
ready to come out of your fantasy land of unbelief.


Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:31:55 -0000 (GMT)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: hope


how do you live without hope? What do you hope in? What effect can you
have on the world? Natural progression... what is the point to life?




Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:08:15 -0800
To: david@antichrist.net
Subject: They say its your birthday

David R. Dalton

Reminds me of that beatles toon,  "Well its my birthday too".

Certainly time and distance divides us.

Someday, I have hope that you will choose to remember me also,


In the love of you,

Chris


Webmaster's note:  Geez, I forgot the birthday of David, the Antichrist!
Man, what kind of first apostle am I?  :o/  Sorry Dave, Happy Birthday!


Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:49:35 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: god is a LIE




hello james

i found this site when i was at school. We were joking around and then
went to this site. Of my friends only the most intelligent accually read
and accepted the ideas on your site. The others were christians which
made them to stubbard to accually accept the idea probably b/c they fear
the truth. I believe you are right, most likely because i am an athiest
myself. You do prove some intelligent points. Well my question is do you
have a debate forum on you site.


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Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:18:01 +0530
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: Guess whoz on....



AAiyo sh*tty crapzzz.....waddup.... u anti christ tahngz....u shud be
ashame of ya selfzz... ur syte iz nuttin but a full of bull sh*tzzz...
juzz fuccin sh*tzzz... u knoe i am nut christain but i am a hindu... but
i can't watch sitting still wid yah mutha fuccin jokz in yah muda fuccin
sytz... now wanna ask yah... if believe dat devilz n some sh*tz exist
then why nut tha gawd... mutha foccaz juss gimme tha ansa...naw turn dat
bullsh*t of urz to mah dicc...

adioz amingo mutha foccz jokerzzzz..... lastly succ mah fuccin
dicczzz......

LiL iNsAnE


Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:01:11 -0800 (PST)
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: give me an answear!!!!



gilaaaa!!!lu udah gila ya...pake berani2 jadi antikris.....gua kurang
bisa english!!!jadi ya pake bahasa indonesia aja!!!!emang apa dasarnya lu
jadi antikris???bertobat lah selagi ada kesempatan!!!!tolong
dijawab!!!!pls answear in indonesian.....dan kasih tau ke gua semua
tentang antikris...!!!!


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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:16:46 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: thank you for making your site




hello james i am glad you have made your sight. I finally have a place to
go and not be teased for not beliving in god. You see i am a 14 year old
boy living in North New Jersey. Growing up my parents were both
workaholics. I was basically rasied by my grandfather and my sister. My
grandfather was a world war 2 verteran who saw coming out of the war that
if they really was a god he would not create such wrongs as war. When i
was 10 he died. I basically followed what he belived. My sister however
was agnostic and refused to get involved with the arguments between me
and my father over the existance of god. Both me and my sister are
skilled in the subjects of math and science. My parents are both doctors
and believe in god, i dont know why they waste thier time. But i am just
saying thank you for making your sight i now kno that there are more
athiests in the world.

eric


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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:10:46 +0000
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: HERETIC



Dear James,

I was just surfing the web when I stumbled onto your website.  I found a
link to the comments of a thirteen year old girl named Amyie dated
October 2, 2002.  I am not writing to encourage your website but rather
to place criticism, if you can handle it.  I also am not going to debate
a thirteen year old on the ramifications of what she wrote to you, but I
will say that the amount of crap you wrote to condone what she was trying
to say was appauling.  I am neither Christian nor atheist, in fact I am
Hindu.  I applaud your comment on how people should think for
themselves.  So why don't you let them do just that.  It seems to me that
there are too many people on this planet who are always trying to explain
what someone else means.  By saying GOD is "habitual" and "abusive" is a
highly mistated analogy.  That analogy would better be suited for a drunk
rather than a supernatural being, wouldn't you agree?  I'm su re it's
pretty easy to play off GOD as a figment of someone's imagination.  You
can't see Him, touch Him, smell, taste, or even hear Him.  So sure, let's
pretend he's not real.  In fact, you made him so fictional you once wrote
"the simple answer is that people who believe in god(s) are crippled."
You say you are scientific man.  Then explain to me how the universe was
created, how man is a sentient being with consciousness and the
ability to distinguish right from wrong (except for you and your
followers), why we exist and exist with a soul in our being, and of
course the meaning of life.  If you can tell me that the birth of a
child plus the nine and a half months of development is not a miracle,
then what in your opinion is a miracle?  Do you believe in miracles,  or
is that something you can't scientifically explain?  There is one thing
that you, James, nee d to get clear before you go preaching your head off
about GOD and religion being a falsehood.  GOD is the almighty being for
which you will NEVER be able to explain and religion was created my man
as way to praise Him.  One was created by man, the other was not.  One
can lead to corruption, the other cannot.  We all know that man is
fallable, hence that would mean that any religion is fallable.  But GOD
is NOT!!!  Make that clear to yourself, because if you don't, you are
only fooling yourself.  There is a fine line between religion and GOD and
many people forget, but in my mind there is a clear distinction.  I
praise one, not the other.  If you are "NOT CRIPPLED" because you do not
believe in GOD, you are a lucky man because I know that every man on this
planet has some cripple, and everyone needs a crutch.

-In GOD's defense (Amit)


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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:18:12 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: God (Jesus Christ) loves u whatever u do




Hi, there, this is my first time to send u my email (after i saw your
website).

i just want to say to u, that we are in this world are something weak,
and worthless.

everyday in our live we facing the horroble world we live in.sometimes
when we falling down from what we were trully believes before, we will
cry, angry, and sometime being ignorance to all the thing that we had
before. i have felt that scene, and, yes, it's felt awful, i don't like.

but, when i  thinkit over again, and again, i realized that maybe i was
wrong in doing all the things in my life, maybe all this time, i'm
depending my self to get better things come up to my life.

i always planning what is going to happened to my life in the next day,
and it's always end up in a mess. why ? because i depending my self to
make everything goes right. i have neglected the authorithy of God to
plan my life. that's the punishment i had.so, i come back to Him and i
give my self entirely, and believe that He is my Salvation from
everything that is happened in my life.

i love Jesus with everything i have, i believe, i do, and i trust. and i
am very eager to introduce Him to u, because He is not as the others
told about Him. He has no limit, has no boundary, our mind is nothing
compare to Him. maybe The Bible confusing us very bad, but if we give all
the trustness we have to Him, then we will be able to see the world in
His sight.

It is personal to anyone to choose, what he/she will believe, but the
only best Person that has died to give us salvation is only Him (JESUS
CHRIST).

will u believe in Him ? Maybe you are in His "plan" to tell the good
words of Bible from what u've done, and maybe you'll understand in the
end, that it's all coming back to Him.

trust me, He is good, kind, and mercyful.

thank u for reading my email.

if u want to reply my email is :

[removed]@yahoo.com








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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:49:26 EST
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: A message to you.

This e-mail is from me. A 15 year old Christian. It seems you get a lot of
hate mail from Christians.  Well, I'll say it myself, if these Christians are
sending hate mail and cursing you, they aren't really Christians in the first
place.  I just wanted to tell you that Jesus Christ is real and so is God.
Satan is real as well.  I challenge you to look at yourself and read from the
bible or pray just a little bit.  See, both God and Satan exist.  You can
serve God here and reign in Heaven with him, or go against God here and be in
pain with Satan.  Don't take this letter the wrong way, but calling us
"stupid Christians" and having a site that glorifies denouncing us and our
beliefs then turning around and claiming you have the utmost respect because
you don't say it in public, is contradictory.  Anyway, I pray that one day,
God would work in you.  By the way, I'm not religious I just have God in my
life.

Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:30:21 +0100
To: james@antichrist.net



james,my man,how's life
I've written the adress of your page on the back of my car.
hope a lot of people read it and visit your site.
keep spreading the good word
greetings from Heus,dutch antichrist philposofer
by the way do you celebrate christmas?i sure as hell don't
as we say here "doei"





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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:23:51 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: www.antichrist.net

Patrick,

	Thanks for writing, and spreading the word about the site!  :o)  Just
like you, I don't celebrate christian holidays, christmas is just another day
to me, but I do celebrate the Winter Solstice, which for will occur on
December 21.  I only do this out of ancient traditions, mostly.  :o)
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/EarthSeasons.html

	The christian holiday was stolen by the christians from the pagans who
celebrated on the first noticeably longer day (the 25th) since they knew the sun
was not going to disappear and plunge us into perpetual darkness.

James

Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:32:39 EST
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: to an unbeliever

To the recipient of this message,
Please read this message all the way through and pass it on to everyone you
know. Please believe in the words I write to you. I beg you not to delete
this message, if you care about the future of your soul and the souls of
others. Blessed be he who stays true to the words of the lord, Blessed is he
who trusts and has faith in God, the creator of the universe!!! Blessed be
the name of God forever and ever!!!!

THE REVELATION

The Rapture
-First, the dead in christ are lifted up, then the living-




Millions of people will dissapear all over the world "in the twinkling of an
eye", in an instant. The entire world will be in fear and panic. There will
be mass suicides, murder, theft, huge traffic jams, airplanes falling from
the sky, complete and utter chaos. Some will know they have been left behind,
others will think these people were abducted by aliens, or that there was
some type of nuclear reaction. None the less, they will have no idea where to
go from here. They will be weak and vulnerable. A new leader will arise. He
will sweep the world off his feet with his powerful, bold and persuassive
ideas. this man is the antichrist.

Important Factors
The Tribulation- The tribulation will begin after the Antichrist signs a
7-year peace treaty with israel. The tribulation itself will alst 7 years but
is divided into 2 parts. The first half( 3.5 years) is the tribulation. The
last 3.5 years is the Great tribulation, during the great tribulation will be
the most horrifying years ever to come or  have already came. During the
7-year period, the world will face the great horror and judgement of God's
wrath.

The Antichrist- Also Reffered to as "The abomination of Desolation"(Matthew
24:15) and as "the beast out of the sea" in the book of revelation. The
Antichrist will be a bold and persuasive man, most likely to rise out of
Europe and take control of The revived roman empire ( the european union). At
first he will appear to be a pacifist, a great new leader. He will bring
peace, unity, hope and love-but it will only last for a very short period of
time. He will then show his wickedness, he shall lead the world into war,
hatred, division, death and suffering. The Antichrist is satan's conterfeit
for The messiah(Jesus), as you may know anti does not neccasarily mean
against but in ***REPLACEMENT***. He will make dreams that many thought were
nearly impossible, to life.
-ONE language
-ONE Government
-ONE Religion(Harlot)
-ONE currency( he will then make the world a cashless society)

He will perform great miracles and sometime during the great tribulation, he
will declare himself to be god and he will sit in the Jewish temple , after
being revived from a fatal wound (Revelation 13:3).

False Prophet- Also known as " the beast out of the earth". He will be the
right hand man of the antichrist and the religious leader of Harlot, the one
world religion. After the Antichrist is revived, He will force everyone on
earth to recieve a mark on their right hand or forehead.

"He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave to
recieve a mark on his right hand or forehead, so that no one could buy or
sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of
his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the
number of the beast, for it is mans number. His number is 666."- Revelation
13:16-18

The false prophet will perform great miracles, even brining fire down from
heaven. He will force everyone to worship the beast(Antichrist)and his image.

The Mark of the beast- (Revelation 13: 16-18) this mark will control all
finacial transaction and will serve as a global I.D. most of the mark was
explained in the false prophet part, but an important note about the mark is
anyone who accepts the mark, accepts the Antichrist as their lord and also
signifies loyalty to the Antichrist. Anyone who accepts the mark will be
condemned to hell, no exceptions. This will require great patience for the
tribulation saints. (Revelation 14:9- 12)

The Lamb- In the book of Revelation, Jesus is reffered to as the lamb, he is
also called "The king of Kings and Lord of Lords". Jesus is the messiah,
rememer the antichrist will appear to be the messiah, because he is Satan's
counterfeit, he will be very appealing to the people of earth, remeber, "The
devil knows how to get your goat because he knows where you tie it" Keep your
eyes open to the world around you, and don't blink even once.

The Beggining



The rapture- Everyone on earth who is "ready" everyone who is in christ,
everyone who believed and worshipped Jesus Christ will be taken up to heaven,
lifted, and saved from the horrible events about to take place on earth.
Those left behind will mourn and greive, there will be huge traffic jams,
enourmous crime waves and massive suicides worldwide. After this the
Antichrist will rise into power. Remember the words of Jesus Christ the lord,

 "You are the light of the earth, a city on a hill cannot be hidden"- Matthew
 5:14.

meaning, the everyone true in christ is the light of the earth, you and I are
what keeps the antichrist from rising, our very precense keeps back the
greatest of evils.


The lamb will open the seven seals of judgement in heaven, the earth will
feel the wrath of the almighty. As each seal is opened, there will be more
and more suffering.

The 7 seals

1st seal: The rise of the antichrist

"I looked and there before me was a rider on a white horse! It's rider held a
bow, and he was given a crown and he rode out as a conquerer bent on
conquest."- Revelation 6:2

The rider on the white horse is the antichrist. It says he held a bow and was
given a crown, meaning he will rise to power without force-since he has no
arrows. With this, the antichrist will make peace among the nations.

2nd Seal: The red horseman is released. He will bring war and violence,
taking away the peace the antichrist created.

"Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. It's rider was given the power
to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was
given a large sword."- Revelation 6:4

3rd Seal: This rider will make " A quart of wheat worth a day's wages"
meaning he will increase the price of food, most likely due to shortage
and/or inflation. however, it also states that the price of oil and wine will
not be affected. These foods are mainly depicted as food for the rich.

"I looked and there before me was a rider on a black horse! It's rider was
holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice
among the four creatures, saying, " A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and
three quarts of barley for a days wages, and do not damage the oil and
wine!"- Revelation 6:6

4th Seal: The rider named Death is released and Hades follows close behind
him. 1/4 of the world population will suffer  from violence, famine, plague
and " the beasts of the earth". Can you imagine? A forth of the earth
population GONE. If it happened now, subtracting the raptured ones and those
who have already been killed by war and violence. By beasts of the earth i am
not quite sure what it means. It could be literall meaning savage beasts that
kill many people or as sybolic as nuclear weapons and bombs, being
"beasts" in their own nature.

"I looked and there before me was a plae horse! It's rider was named death
and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth
of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague and by the wild beasts of
the earth."-Revelation 6:8

5th Seal: After the Antichrist has the world in his grip, christians and jews
will be martyred at an alarming rate. The christians martyrd cry out to God
to avenge there deaths.

"When he opened the fifth seal, I saw the souls of those who had been slain
because of the word of god and the testimony they maintained."
- Revelation 6:9

6th Seal: When the sixth seal is opened, there will be a great earthquake.
The sun will turn black, the moon will turn blood red and the stars from the
sky will fall to earth. Every mountain on the earth will be moved from it's
place. The people of earth will be scared to death and they will actually ask
the mountains to fall on them.

"I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun
turned black lick sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood
red and the stars of the sky fell to earth."- Revelation 6:12

"The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island
moved from it's place."- Revelation 6:14

144,000 Sealed: 144,000 servants of god and followers of christ will be given
a mark of god on their foreheads.

The Great multitude: This is what many people consider "the soul harvest"
because people all over the world in "a great multitude in which no one could
count" will convert to christianity.

"After this I looked and before me was a great multitude that no one oculd
ocunt from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the
throne and in front of the lamb.They were wearing white robes and were
holding palm branches in their hands."- Revelation 7:9

The 7th seal: There will be silence in heaven for about a half an hour and
seven angels will be given seven trumpets. Thus, the beginning of the trumpet
judgements.

The 1st Trumpet: Hail and fire mixed with blood will fall fro mthe sky. It
will burn up 1/3 of the Earth, The trees and the grass.

The 2nd Trumpet: "Something like a huge mountain, all a blaze" is thrown into
the sea. This will most likely be an asteroid of some sort. 1/3 of the sea is
turned to blood and 1/3 of all living sea creatures and ships are destroyed.

The 3rd Trumpet: A great star, blazing like a torch will fall from the sky on
1/3 of the rivers and springs on earth. The star is actually named-Wormwood.
An interesting about the incident of Chernobyl is that chernobyl in hebrew
means wormwood. 1/3 of the waters turned bitter and many people died from
drinking the water.

The 4th Trumpet: 1/3 of the moon and the sun are struck and 1/3 of the stars.
1/3 of the day is without light and 1/3 of the night also. This will most
likely cause freezing could temperatures and darker, more dangerous nights.
An eagle will fly through the air and shout

" Woe, woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, beacuse of the trumpet
blasts about to be sounded by the three angels!"-Revelation 8:13

The 5th Trumpet: A star falling from the sky with the key to the shaft of the
abyss will strike earth. This will cause Smoke to rise and darken the sun and
the sky. Out of the smoke will come locusts with the power of scorpions. They
were told not to harm the grasses or trees of the earth, but only the people
who did not have the seal of god on their foreheads. These locusts will not
be given the power to kill men but only to torture them for five months.
These men will seek death but not find it; they will long to die, but death
will elude them.

The 6th Trumpet: The great angels bound to the euphrates will be released.
They will be given the power to kill 1/3 of mankind. The number of mounted
troops will be 200 million. They will kill 1/3 of mankind by "the fire of
their mouths"


"The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not
repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshipping demons, and
idols of Gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood-idols that can not see or hear
or walk. Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual
immorality and their thefts."- Revelation 9:20-21

The Two Witnesses: Two witnesses of God will be sent down to earth to preach
the gospel for 1,260 days (about 3.5 years). The two witnesses will most
likely be Elijah and Moses. They will be clothed in sackcloth and will appear
to be very old. They will spit fire at any one who tries to harm them, no one
will suceed in killing them until 1,260 days are up. They will have power
over the weather, the power to turn water into blood and the power to create
any plague they wish. after 1,260 days, they will be overpowered by the beast
from the abyss and their bodies will lie in the streets of Sodom, Egypt,
where jesus was crucified. For 3 1/2 days, people will gave upon their bodies
and refuse them burial. The inhabitants of the earth will celebrate and
exchange gifts because these witnesses have tormented the people of earth(
They celebrate because they believe the seal and trumpet judgements that have
passed, were because of the two and their-what they will call- black
magic.After 3 1/2 days, the two witnesses will be called up to heaven and
everyone will witness their bodies floating up to heaven. After this, there
will be a terrible earthquake that will kill 7,000 people and destroying 1/10
of the city. The survivors were terrified and gave glory to the god in
heaven.

The 7th Trumpet: There will be lightning, thunder, rumblings , an earthquake
and a hailstorm.

"Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the
ark of his convenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals
of thunder, and earthquake and a great hailstorm." -Revelation 11:19


The Beast out of the Sea: "A beast out of the Sea"( When the bible says " The
sea" it is referring to the Mediterranean Sea"

"And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had 10 horns and 7 heads, with
10 crowns, and on each head a blasphemous name" - Revelation 13:1

The 10 horns represent the 10 kingdoms of the Antichrist, The 7 heads
represent the empires that have existed and are to come( The Egyptian,
Assyrian, Babylonian, and the 10 crowns represent the 10 kings of the
kingdoms.

"...The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority"-
Revelation 13:2   --The dragon is Satan

"One of the heads of the beast seemed to have a fatal wound, but the fatal
wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast.
Men worshipped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast and
they also worshipped the beast and asked" Who is like the beast? Who can make
war against him?"- Revelation 13: 3 - 4

During the midpoint of the tribulation, The Antichrist will be killed " by
sword" but will be revived fro mthe dead. After this, he will proclaim
himself to be god and all men who are not written in the book of life, shall
worship him.

"The Beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to
excercise his authority for 42 months.He opened his mouth to blaspheme God
and his dwelling place an those who live in heaven. He was given power to
make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority
over every tribe, nation, people and language."- Revelation 13: 5-7


The Beast out of the Earth: This Beast is the False Prophet. He will
excercise the authority of the beast and will make the inhabitants of the
earth worship the Antichrist and his image.He will perform great miracles and
signs of wonders, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth. He is
given power to kill those who do not worship the beast(The Antichrist) and
his image. He also forced everyone on earth to receive a mark* on their right
hand or forehead, so that no one could buy or sell without it.

The Lamb and the 144,000 witnesses: The lamb ( jesus) and the 144,000
witnesses will stand on Mount Zion. The witnesses learned a song from heaven
that no one else could learn.

The 3 angels: Three angels are sent down to earth to proclaim the gospel to
every nation, tribe language and people.

The 1st angel: The first angel will yell in a loud voice

"Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgement has come.
Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of
water."- Revelation 14:7

The 2nd angel: The second angel will yell

"Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the great, which made all the nations drink the
maddening wine of her adulteries."- Revelation 14:8

The 3rd angel: The third angel will yell

" If anyone worships the beast and his image and recieves his mark on the
forehead or hand, he too will drink the wine of God's fury, which has been
poured full strength, into the cup of his wrath. He will tourmented with
burning sulfur in the prescence of the holy angels and his lamb. And the
smoke of their torment rises, forever and ever. Their is no rest day or night
for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who recieves the
mark of his name."- Revelation 14: 9-12

The 7 bowls of wrath:

The 1st bowl: Everyone who recieved the mark of the beast will be given ugly,
painful sores.

The 2nd bowl: The entire Sea and everything in it, will die.

The 3rd bowl: The Rivers and springs of water will be turned into blood.

The 4th bowl: The sun will be given the power to scorch the Earth. They will
be seared by the intense heat and will curse the name of God. They still
refused to repent and glorify him.

The 5th bowl: The Kingdom of the Beast will be plunged into darkness. Men
will  gnaw their tongues in agony and refuse to repent for their sins.

The 6th bowl: The Euphrates river will be dried up to prepare the way for the
kings of the east ( China, Korea, Japan) then, 3 evil spirits which come from
the mouth of the beast and the false prophet, will go out to the kings of the
earth and prepare for the day of the lord almighty. Then they gathered the
kings to the place that in hebrew is called "Armeggedon"

You see, many people depict the word "Armeggedon" as meaning the end of the
world. Armeggdon represent the final war betwwen Jesus Christ and The
Antichrist. Armeggedon means " Mount of Meggiddo"
Which is where the battle will take place.

The 7th bowl: There will be lightning, Thunder, , rumblings, and the worst
earthwuake there ever was or will ever be. The Great City (Babylon) will be
split into three parts and the cities of the nations collapsed. God will
remeber Babylon the great and he will give her the cup of wine of the fury of
his wrath. Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. Huge,
hailstones weghing 100 pounds fell fro mthe sky on to men.

The woman on the beast: (Babylon) A woman (Babylon) sitting on a scarlet
beast, covered in blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. The
woman is dressed in Purple and Scarlet, glittering with gold, precious stones
and pearls. She has a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things
and the filth of her adulteries. She is drunk with the blood of the saints
and the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus Christ.

The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits, they are alos the 7
kings. 5 have fallen, 1 is and one is yet to come. The beast once was and now
is not, he is the 8th king. The 10 horns are 10 kings who have not recieved a
kingdom, but will recieve authority as kings along with the beast. They will
have one purpose and will give power to the beast. They will make war with
the Lamb , but will be overcome. The beast and the 10 horns (kings) will hate
the prostittute, bring her to ruins, and leave her naked.The purple and
Scarlet represents power and wealth and the golden cup are the things she
gives the kingdoms  (power, wealth, authority). By adulteries, it means the
unfaithfullness to God.

The Fall of Babylon: Babylon will be destroyed. The kings of the earth who
commited adultery with her and who splendored in her luxuries, will weep. The
merchants of the earth will weep. Every Sea Captain, those who traveled by
ship and mad their living throught the sea will weep.

"An angel will throw a boulder the size of a large milestone into the sea.
With such violence, the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to
be found again."- Revelation 18:21

After this, the world will rejoice. Those who held the testimony of Jesus,
those who endured suffering for their faith in God and those who refuse the
mark of the beast because of the name of God and all those in heaven will
shout "Hallejlujah!" For they have been given life and will rejoice and be
happy, in the name of God.

The battle of Armeggedon:  Jesus will appear out of heaven on a white horse.
He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood. On his robe and on his thigh is
written "King of Kings, Lord of Lords" Then the Beast and the kings of the
earth and their armies will gather to make war with Jesus. But the Beast and
The false Prophet will be thrown into hell. tHe rest of them that fought
against Jesus were killd with the sword that came out of Jesus' mouth.

The 1,000 years: An angel will come down from heaven with the key to the
abyss and a great chain. He seized the Dragon (Satan) and bound him for 1,000
years in th abyss. He then locked the abyss and sealed it. after the 1,000
years he must be released for a short time. Those killed during the
tribulation for their testimony of Jesus and the faith of God were given life
and reigned with Christ on earth for 1,000 years. The rest of the dead did
not come to life until the 1,000 years had ended.

Satan's Doom: After the 1,000 years had ended, Satan will be released and
will decieve the nations in the 4 corners of the earth- Gog and Magog (
Russia and it's king). They marched acrosse the Earth and surrounded the camp
of God's people, the city he loves. Fire will come down from heaven and
devour them. Satan will be thrown into hell for eternity.

The White Throne Judgement: The earth will dissappear and everyone from
Heaven, Hell and Earth were judged for what they have done. Death*and
Hades*will be thrown into hell.

**This means there shall be no more Death and no more famine, suffering,
evil, etc.

The New Jeruseleam: There will then be a new heaven and a new earth, for the
old earth and heaven had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. Then a
new Jeruseleam came out of heaven. Now the dwelling of God wil be with men,
and he lived with them. God will be with them. He will wipe every tear fro
mtheir eyes. There will be no more Death, mourning, Crying or Pain. But the
cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral,
those who practiced magic, the idoltarers and the Liars- They will be in the
fiery lake of burning sulfur- for ever and ever.

Now that you've finshed reading, ask yourself: Are you scared? Do you wan't
to be put through this kind of torment and suffering?Do you believe it will
actually happen? Woe to you who do not learn from these ancient writings, Woe
to you who continue to thrive and enjoy your life of sin. But I will tell you
the truth: It WILL happen one day, no doubt- Whether you believe in God or
Not, it will happen. If you are scared, then good because you should be. Fear
God, fear his great power and be saved. God is so great that he isn't forcing
you to live clean lives or to love him, that decision is in your hands. You
can  continue to live sinfully, and face these judgements and then maybe even
be thrown in hell or you can give your lives to God, Obey him and love hime
with all your heart and all your soul and all your mind- And be given life!!
Everlasting life!!! Never will you shed a tear or feel an ounce of pain or
sorrow EVER again!!!! You can still be saved from the tribulation and you can
still go to heaven when you die!!!!

You must love your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your
mind and all your strength. You must believe Jesus is the messiah, the son of
God and you must love and worship Jesus " For the only way to the father is
through his son". Understand, now, that everyone on Earth is and was a
sinner. " For their is none righteous, not one" Jesus was the only human who
never sinned, because he is the son of God. He died at the cross for our
sins. God gave up his one and only son for our sins. Since jesus died and was
brought back to life, we can also go to heaven- because we all deserve to go
to hell. When you commit sin, God will forgive you if you ask for forgiveness
truthfully, that is why we must always forgive others. Pray this prayer
truthfully:

"Lord, I am a sinner. I confess to you that I am not worthy of the gift
you've given me. I believe that you sent your son Jesus Christ to die on the
cross for my sins. I don't deserve that, but I recognize that you love me and
that Jesus is the only way. Thank you for that gift. I also believe that you
have power over Death. I believe that you can give me eternal life because I
believe that you raised Jesus from the dead. I recognize that you are the one
and only God. I commit my life to you. Please be my lord and Savior. I know
that you love me. I love you, too, Lord. Thank you. In Jesus' name I pray,
amen."

If you have just prayed that prayer truthfully, if you meant every word you
said, you have been saved. Rejoice and be Happy!!! Because you have now been
blessed with the holy spirit, you, have been spiritually reborn. Now, you
must commit your life to God. you must follow his word and his commands. But
do not be discouraged when you sin, because you will never be freed from sin
until you have passed away. But you can fight it, and you must. Read the
bible and study it everyday, and tell others that you have found God and you
have been saved. And give them hope, because anyone, and I mean ANYONE can be
saved and be with their lord in heaven. So show them the path to God, and, my
friends, please forward this to every email address you know. Tell everyone
you know about the return of Christ and save them from the torment and guide
them into the light. Blessed be the one who works for the lord, blessed be
the one who stays true to him and his word. God bless you.

Remeber, the lord loves you. He will always love you and guide you. Give back
to the lord and love him back too. Glory and praise be to Jesus Christ!!! The
messiah and the savoir of all mankind!!!!

thank you

If you have any comments, questions or any kind of feedback at all, please
e-mail me at [removed]@email.com. I will be posting a website soon,
there, I will also be posting this very message aloing with other End time
updates and scriptures.

Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:13:31 EST
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: PENANCE PENANCE PENANCE or Burn in Hell Eternally!!! :)



Your bodies will burn in the oceans of fire just beneath the land with
groans and agony so intense you will break your TEETH off at the gums and
naw on them gruesomely until you have eaten your own jaw off, since there
will be no food or air anyways!  That is the good part for all aetheist
since the power of Satan is held by God's Hand on Satans little sickening
tail dangling him over the Earth letting him suck up every fire f*cker
there is.  Your personal power is but a grain of salt compared to God's
people ever growing Universe expanding Mountains of Love.  You time is
very limited here on this Hell hole so you had better make the best DAMN
time you have!!!!  Have you not learned the power of the negative entity
can never be bigger than the positive.  Look at History,,,hitler gigus
kan yatta youttta.  I hope all of your sick trypping minds are seeing all
of the Little People ready to devour every damned atom you posess
Have a Nice Hell
Fuk Yourself

Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:53:38 +0000
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: You're website




Please pardon my Grammar, I'm quite the idiot.

Hello members of Antichrist, particularly James.

I was recently directed to your website by an atheist friend of mine, (no, I
am not Atheist, I am actually Muslim, although I guess you most probably
feel the same way since most modern religions are so alike, even though they
don't seem to get along) and I must admit, that you make many fine points
through out your website, and I must tell you, on most of them I believe
you're right. The theory that there is an all-knowing being living in a
so-called "heaven" seems quite far fetched. I also agree that modern
religion is the basis of many war's and hazing (more like racism) all over
the world. I can agree with you on most parts.

Of course, there is a "but" to this email. For some people, I do not see
believing in god as a weakness, I don't totally disagree with you. Many
people would not be able to carry on if they did not have an afterlife to
live in after they die, therefore I can understand them being called weak.
What about those believers in god ( I call him god, not Allah, because I was
mostly raised in America) that understand that their faith has a possibility
of not being true. While I believe in God with all my heart, I do understand
your belief that we will go nowhere after we die. Well, anyway, I have
probably contradicted myself somewhere in this rant ( you will probably
point out in a way that will make millions around the world laugh crazily)
but anyway, just want you to know you have a small, unimportant friend out
there in the Muslim world...

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 21:30:56 EST
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: (no subject)



what is ur problem Jesus Christ is alive and real so shut up




Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:18:00 -0500
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Please Forward.






VAMOS A JUGAR

Yo Soy en Anticristo.
Soy el que viene a destruir el mundo.
Y busco a mi rival para matarla si, para matarla.
Dos dioses el uno frente al otro, enfrentandose. Y ver en realidad qué es lo
que pasa.
Voy de mundo en mundo, de humano en humano viendo todo lo que hay que ver.
Y preparando el camino para el Apocalipsis.

¿Ya aprendieron algo chiquillos?

Super-ja, ella es una enviada del bien.

Siento que hay gente con mucho poder tras de mí. Y entonces comienzo a
pensar en la maldita enfermedad humana.

El drama del humano es el de la comida, el del clima, el de la vida, ¡el del
cuerpo!

Y cuando la selección del màs fuerte gane ellos trinfarán.

Si, los niños trinfarán.

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:56:12 -0500 (EST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Appalling e-mail from Christians



I have been reading the messages sent to James at Antichrist dot net and
am appalled that so many Christians are being totally Anti-Christian.
Jesus would take these erring Children of God and gently but sternly
correct them concerning their messages.

Christians are NOT to JUDGE anyone. They must be gentle and caring for
even the most evil person. The golden rule just in case any of you
Christians cannot remember it is, "Do unto others as you would have them
do unto you."

I am a Christian and see that the Church has fallen into disrepair. It is
indeed the beginning of the end of times and the prophecies of
Revelations are close at hand.

Gloral



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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 20:19:24 +0000
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Cc: james@antichrist.net


GOD SPEAK
STILL YOU!!!

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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 21:19:47 -0500
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: post named Brandon



I must say that you offer up the stupidest explanations for prophecies
that have been fulfilled.  Thanks for the good laugh sh*thead----as a
Christian I can easily say that you will laugh your balls off when
millions of truebelievers vanish.  I bet you'll explain that by
'spontaneous combustion'-----LOL wakeup jerkoff.  You have all the
information available to see that the Lord has always existed.  Why does
Israel play the most prominent role in the world turmoil?  Its coincidence
right?  Thats the problem with old red, white, and blue-----we have too
much, uneducated, atheistic, white trash inhabitants like yourself.  I'll
pray for you and the retarded comments you made on that demonic and
retarded site.

Merry Christmas

Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 01:07:31 +0000
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: eh sorry i feel like i have walked in a bit l8 eh?


i found your site today (26 dec 2003) like i said a bit l8 but anyways..
let me introduce myself, i am 15yr old (or young for that matter) who doesnt
belive in god(s).
i dont have any quotes or any of that other stuff but i do feel the need to
say my peice even if it a little short as i have lived with/near christians
and well... ya see the things is i dont really care in the slightest about
what others want to belive in as its not my concern and not my place to
argue against, EXCEPT (and this is a big except as ilustrated by the CAPS
LOCK, lol) what i cant stand is christanings, seriosly i think they are
completly out of order, okay okay maybe the parent should have a say (not a
big one) in the religion even if there son/daughter doesnt listen, but to
force it upon them when they cant even speak??? i know its not like it
bounds them to the religion but still it tarnishes there name (in my
opinion) as there are way to many idiots who take the whole thing so
seriosly, shouldent we spend our days on the earth having fun? experiancing
things? well i cant really give an opinion on how fun a nunery could be but
then again i'd prefer to go out get wasted and to not let them even touch
them selves *in that way* surly god intented us to make *full use* of our
bodies? right? well thanks even if u dont reply (and i hope u will) its nice
to have gotten that off my chest
Jake

P.S. if u dont want all the mail u get from angry christians foward it to
me, those e-mails from the abusive/retarded christians brought a smile to my
face, hehehhehehheh i dont mean to *blow my own trumpet* but doesnt it just
make u feel better about yourself that u dont go around making a tit of
yourself? thanks again l8rz


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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:15:15 -0500
To: webmaster@antichrist.net

This is for all of the people that visit your satanic crap site.   If you
live in the USA and don't like the way the church and state are growing
closer together (as stated by Diederik from Germany) why don't you just
leave???   Why don't you all move to Canada and live with "Mike" the 14 year
old.   And while on the subject of the 13 and 14 year olds that you've
posted on your site, they're probably saying they are Anti-Christian because
they think its "cool".   Looking back to when I was that old I was a
complete dumb ass.   And If you really want things to change why don't you
get off your asses and do it instead of bitching about the way stuff is?!
Jim

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Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 03:54:01 EST
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Hey Bro!



  Hey James-
          How are you? Things are still going great, I see. I keep
checking out the site to see when Fredrick is going to join us. He's
writing some pretty good stuff. Speaking of which, I got bored over the
weekend and wrote another one. So here you go, do with it what you will.
And thanks again for my honor role, I'm heading to the site now. "Talk"
to ya soon!

    [ Part 2, Application/OCTET-STREAM (Name: "TO ALL.doc")  42KB. ]


Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:27:10 EST
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: If you are so kind to read this please!!!!!(No Hating)



Dear Webmaster,

I clearly see your point. In todays society everyone calls themselves
christians but they are nothing than hypocrites. They still follow the
same path and follow the flow of the world. As a matter of fact, we could
call them fakies, infidels, hypocrites, generation of snakes, but I
prefer not to.
I also clearly see your complaint on how all the email received from
christians are nothing but hate messages. But let me clear something,
there is an assembly, to be more specific, the Apostolic Assembly of the
Faith in Jesus Christ. I am a member of that assembly. It is not a group
or religion, we do not consider ourselves religious. We do believe in
Jesus and period.
Although I must admit, that not all the members of our church are
faithful in living a life of holiness just like the Bible commands, we do
try our best.  Perhaps thats why we still haven't made a positive impact
in the world.
Now, I can say I am Apostolic, but not christian anymore because now
everyone calls themselves christians and as you can see they just lowered
the meaning of that specific word.
The Bible says love your enemies, although I do not consider you my enemy
with more reason shall I love you and try to comprehend your point.
Please write back to me so that we may discuss our point of views
regarding Jesus Christ. Actually since this message is annointed by the
power of the Holy Ghost, you will receive it and I know you will answer
me back. I do not intend to insult you or offend you in any way so please
write back to me.
Also, since you made a page on the "wanna be christians", I would really
appreciate  if you made one on the true Christians like myself or on
Apostolic, like myself. Afterall we are trying to get along, aren't we?
God Bless you,
an Apostolic Youth

Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:05:05 EST
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: thank you



     I am 16 years old and have been raised jewish for the extent of my
young life. My mother had pressed upon me various beliefs about god that
I had trouble understanding. My father on the other hand was very helpful
and takes the stand in the exactly the same way as you do-sees the world
based on scientific analysis. I am now an atheist but still remain true
to many of my jewish heritage with the exception of subscribing to a god.
I just want to thank you for  standing up to "fundie" religions and I
also feel better that there are people in this world that base science as
fact instead of fictional characters that humans place as "divine" I only
hope that there were more people who opened their eyes and spit out the
spoonful of Jesus they are fed since they were a toddler!
                -Satisfied there are people in this worls with sense,
Jenna

Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:46:35 -0800
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: Nothing

NOTHING

TABLE OF CONTENTS

I. The Prince of Darkness ~ Soul
II. Aaron Sloan Faircloth ~ Mind
III. I Am Not The Antichrist ~ Heart
IV. The Legacy of Lord Kain

CHAPTER I
The Prince of Darkness ~ Soul

The Prince of Darkness.

CHAPTER II
Aaron Sloan Faircloth ~ Mind

Aaron.
Sloan.
Faircloth.
Aaron Faircloth.
Aaron Sloan Faircloth.
Aaron Faircloth.
Faircloth.
Sloan.
Aaron.

CHAPTER III
I Am Not The Antichrist ~ Heart

I.
Am.
Not.
The.
Antichrist.
I Am Not The Antichrist.
Nothing.

CHAPTER IV
The Legacy of Lord Kain

Nothing.
The Prince of Darkness.
Aaron Sloan Faircloth.
I Am Not The Antichrist.
The Legacy of Lord Kain.
I Am Kain.









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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:44:07 -0800
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: Nothing

NOTHING

I. The Prince of Darkness (19 letters)
II. Aaron Sloan Faircloth (19 letters)
III. 1 4 1976 The Antichrist (19 symbols long)
IV. The Legacy of Lord Kain (19 letters)

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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:19:08 EST
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: concerning the letter from Tue, 5 Nov 2002 02:14:20 -0700



hey man, you need to tell that asshole they've got their facts wrong
(well, they do beleive in god and living forever, so of course they do
but) sex didn't spread AIDS from animal to man. It's from when hunters in
Africa would kill the monkeys or baboons that ate their crops, or when a
farmer needed food and they would eat or handle the dead bloody body of
and AIDS invest monkey Ah man, people who think its from Africans having
sex with animals makes me so mad. It just goes to showing how
white-christian-american culture is so manipulative and powerful over
people. They've successfully taken theory and speculation an turned it
into truth (oh, wait I'm sorry, Biblical truth.) Hey, and you know when
some jackass hunter in texas or michigan shows up at the local hospital
with one of the six or so cases of of the plague or country gets every
year, no one accuses them of having f*cked a moose o r elk.
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH, F*CK! White culture pisses me off so much.
Hey, well keep up the good work, Peace and Love

PS. I'm not usually this upset or hateful, in fact I'm very active in
non-violent and no war movements, but you know, its just hearing bullsh*t
propganda coming from brainwashed kids is so f*cking irratating. They
need to read a f*cking newspaper or a book (other than the bible) for a
change, and then maybe they'd realize the lies they've been taught.

Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:12:26 -0500 (EST)
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: www.Antichrist.net

    This is not a hate letter and yes I am a Christian.My main question,
in short,is how can an atheist be a follower of Satan when he is yet
another one of God's creations?I checked out the Church of Satan website
and found that after each comment, the phrase "Hail Satan" appeared thus
proving that you are in fact worshipping an unseen force,much like
people of God oriented religions that rely on blind faith.
Is it not true that to even acknowledge the Devil is also to acknowledge
God?One thing about the bible that gets me confused is where it tells
you that God gave man the freedom of choice,but not the angels.So if
that is the case,how was it possible that Satan rose up and tried to
conquer Heaven?Does anyone not remember that he was once God's favorite
angel?Why attack Christianity so, when you see the big lie that is in
Islam or the Jewish Nazis(Zionists)?Finally,were movies like ROSEMARY'S
BABY,THE EXORCIST and THE OMEN influential in your belief system?I am a
Catholic,and I love those films.Ironically,it seems that the Devil wins
in all three films.
Ken,Edison,NJ



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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:12:16 +0000
To: James@antichrist.net
Subject: Thank you!


Thank you for signing the guest book at http://www.dayofteardrops.com/TALK.html


Here's a message from the person who created the page:

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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:36:49 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re: Copy cat website stealing your words.

http://www.dayofteardrops.com/AboutMe01.html

Thank you for the heads-up.  I don't have a copyright notice on my website, nor
do I care to.  People can steal as much as they want from it, I'm not out
anything.  :o)  I do think however that it's pretty cool that there is someone
out there who has 98% plagerized my page, too bad she's fat.  I never thought
I'd find a female that thinks like I do, but wouldn't you know it, when I do,
she would turn out to be unattractive.  :o/  I grepped my mail spool to see if
she had ever wrote to me.  Nope, nothing.  It surprises me that someone can
agree with me so much as to lift about 98% of my web content, and not even
write to tell me that she is in total agreement.  :o/  Amazing.

James

Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:17:32 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: believe




i think christian like crazy people-i don't like them- i wan't to ask
you-how to be antichrist member-i wan't to join them-


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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:21:30 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: why



don't believe christian word-believe that lucifer is true-


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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 13:56:28 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: unholy christ p.o.e.

i stumbled across the antichrist series webpags...i
was rather surprised at the intelligence i saw coming
from children...but then children do surpass their
adult supervisors before the death of the first.
i found it quite interesting to see you all claiming
to be abtichrists...considering todays christianity is
so distorted and corrupted from the influence of
paganism and "satan".
the antichrist claims to be christian.
and the claimed antichrists are actually more
divine,godly,and christian than even they know.

im surprised none of you noticed this...considering
all the death threats you receive from "christians".

ill write more and give a few truths if any of you
decide to write me back...i dont feel like wasting
words on someone who will never respond.

the unholy christ is in deed religion and p.o.e.
(peace on earth) will be found in the event of nuclear
war.

sincerely
jacob

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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:23:52 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re: unholy christ p.o.e.

gary wrote:
>
> i stumbled across the antichrist series webpags...i
> was rather surprised at the intelligence i saw coming
> from children.

	When I was their age, I was _outcast_ because I was atheist.  I think
today it is far more acceptable, and common, to see young atheists.

> i found it quite interesting to see you all claiming
> to be abtichrists.

	This is a performance art project, it is created from the name
"antichrist dot net" on up to "tweak" the christians.  The "satanic" look and
feel is just to mess with their weak little minds.  :o)  It's all just for fun.

> ill write more and give a few truths if any of you
> decide to write me back...i dont feel like wasting
> words on someone who will never respond.

	When someone writes such as you just did, I will _always_ respond!  I
usually ignore the messages that are mostly swear words for jesus.  Sure, write
more, if it's good (I have a feeling it will be) I'll publish it on the site!

James

Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 22:04:35 -0600
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: your site



  Hello James,
     I recently read an email argument you had with a Christian. Let me say
this, that was the BEST thing Ive ever seen. I myself used to be a
christian, stuck in the belief of some spiritual God, none of that nonsense
to I believe anymore. I stopped believing a while back, and then today I
came across your site, wonderful. I just want to thank you and keep it up, I
know what its like to have christians get upset at you and want to argue
with you nonstop when you leave their club. Anyways, I look forward to you
emailing me back with more of your thoughts.

-Dustin


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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 20:28:25 -0800 (PST)
To: James@antichrist.net
Subject: your website




wow I am honored! Thanks for looking at my website, and yes it is true I
did copy most of what you wrote. Because I believe it the exact same
things. Is that wrong? I think NOT! There are alot of webpages that I
have viewed and your was by far the best! If you want me to change my
views on religion...sorry no can do.

Tracy


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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 11:14:43 +0100
To: james@antichrist.net



hi James and a happy newyear to you.
While i was surfing the net i stumbled across the follwing site
www.rkdm.com/jesusbobble/
i think you should check it out,it's hilarious.
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:12:24 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re: unholy christ p.o.e.


> 	This is a performance art project, it is created
> from the name
> "antichrist dot net" on up to "tweak" the
> christians.  The "satanic" look and
> feel is just to mess with their weak little minds.
> :o)  It's all just for fun.
>


well f*ck an ass jimmy boy...im a performance artist
as well...i sometimes get a lil too into me act but i
did the same thing...except i invented a charecter
called omega whoms mission is to become alpha...since
omega is the lowest the only way to become alpha is to
kill everyone...i spent a few years in an asylum cause
of it and omega still exists and wakes every now and
then...but now im a lil more in tune to whom i
am....but not quite sure if its true..hehe..
ill keep in touch with yall i find what yer doin
interesting...kinda like the play im writing
"loa and poe"
see yah roun
j.s.

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:06:39 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re: your website




James,

   Yes this is what I was referring to. The person that is doing this is
my bible thumping brother! Sorry for the inconvenience.

 First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net> wrote:

      Tracy wrote:
      >
      > wow I am honored! Thanks for looking at my website, and yes
      it is true I did
      > copy most of what you wrote. Because I believe it the exact
      same things. Is
      > that wrong? I think NOT! There are alot of webpages that I
      have viewed and
      > your was by far the best! If you want me to change my views
      on
      > religion...sorry no can do.
      >
      > Tracy

      I'm not sure what you're talking about. I received a bunch of
      these.

      Subject: Thank you!
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      Subject: Copy cat website stealing your words.
      Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:20:10 -0700
      To: james@Antichrist.net

      I found this copy cat website stealing your words from James
      page.
      http://www.dayofteardrops.com/AboutMe01.html
      Thought you would like to know.

      Is this what you are talking about? Because if you received
      any
      emails, it was from the person above, not me. He's going
      around pretending to
      be me an speaking for me for some reason. :o/

      James


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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 05:15:02 -0500
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: .........

This website is the most rediculous thing I have ever had the pleasure to
laugh at. It is like a utopia for teen aged suburban kids who like to wear
all black and hate their parents for taking them to church. Your argumants
are like that of a child. You cannot possibly be serious about some of your
viewpoints. Serious scientists are truely objective. You and your juvenile
counterparts seek only the shock value of the content. I liken this to the
rocker Marilyn Mansons' approach to obtaining new pre-teen fans. It is
truely laughable. If you seek only to argue your view of the world then why
attack only Christianity? Why do you not launch an anti-muslim website and
call yourself "The first apostle to the Anti-mohammed"? Science cannot nail
this one down, but I have a theory. You know in your heart what is true and
choose to turn your back on it because it does not meet the lifestyle you
desire to lead. I would go so far as to wager that true professionals would
not even admit to accidently clicking a link to your site, save visiting it
for fresh perspective on their chosen beliefs.

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Date: 6 Jan 2003 12:26:49 -0000
To: webmaster <webmaster@antichrist.net>
Subject: Nothing


                                 The Antichrist



                    Screams and nightmares of a life I want

                 Can't see living this lie, no, a world I haunt

                  You've lost all control of my heart and soul

                             Satan holds my future

                                Watch it unfold



                              I am The Antichrist

                           Its what I was meant to be

                            Your God left me behind

                           And set my soul to be free



                     Watching disciples of the satanic rule

                  Pentagram of blood holds the jackal's truth

                            Searching for the answer

                               Christ hasn't come

                           Awaiting the final moment

                            The birth of Satan's son



                          Screams, from a life I live

                            Torment, is what I give

                            Torture, is what I love

                       The downfall of the heavens above



                              I am The Antichrist

                                All love is lost

                             Insanity is what I am

                          Eternally, my soul will rot

                                      Rot

                                      Rot

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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:18:47 EST
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: readin ur site



hey i wasd checkin out ur site and I want to know from u wut exactly is
an ANTI-CHRIST wut do u believe? I read some what a lot to sum it up but
in opinion. DO u think loves real? Ru afraid of nehing? do u believe in
Wicca?
angie email me bac

Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:25:34 -0800 (PST)
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: F.T.W.

every body tink that hell is on earth but let me tell U that if it is,it's
very boring me cause there's not enough
action(blood,murder,sacrifice...)to proof it!I'm waiting since over 15
years to see that HELL of world.when I'll die(if I do)I'll see the
promised world,not the one described in bible but the one we all beleive
in:an overlength place full of sluts,beer,drugs and eternal fun!

Keep on burnin'
              EXODUS666.

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Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:21:21 +0000
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Comments,

Dear James,

        I read through the entire section that you wrote on the first
part of your page, and i thought it was excellent, I myself have come to
be An Atheist And An Anti-Christ, solely through what i chose, Like i
shalt not bore you with my ranting and raving on but, Early in the year
of 2002, I was somewhat interested in Christianity, And a once-was close
friend of mine then, She was christian, So sure i went along with it, I
was interested to, But i myself and devoted to my music, But as soon as
she said i would have to drop the music, i thought to myself why?! Why
all these shackles? It's like being chained to a wall, having to live by
sets of rules, like we are children all our lives, not been able to be
free and what we please! Through my view there is no Justice in that, But
moving right along, Don't get me wrong i respect Christians, but if they
want to preach to me about t heir "God", I stand my ground, So yea. In
regards To Mayomi's (Lydia's) e-mail, I really agree about that point on
forgiveness, Heaps of people even some i know of, go around doing nasty
things to one another, and then just pray to this "god" for forgiveness,
Like the Satanic Bible states: Praying is just putting everything into
basically nothing, If one actually tried to do what they want and
persevered then they would have accomplished it alot quicker! Well that
about wraps it out, Hope i haven't wasted too much of you're time,
Congrats. once again on the excellent site, And one last point i have ...
Out of millions of sites on the web, Some Christians still choose to come
to your site and bitch at you for you're beliefs, I reckon they (Well
some of them at least) should start to respect others beliefs, Just
because we are not one of them we are still human!

                                              Sincerely,
                                                     Ben,


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Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 05:35:50 +0000
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: a man in the sky that needs more money...


I was watching the "Comedy Channel" last night, and a guy walked on
stage. What he said did not seem funny to me. It made sense. He said
something like this:

How can you believe that there is an invisible man in the sky? This man
has a list of 10 things that he does NOT want you to do. If you do any of
these things, he will send you to a horrible place where you will burn
for all of eteriny...after you die. Even though he might seem so mean,
you have to remember one thing: he loves you. Oh yeah! And he always need
more money too! Strange, don't you think?

Sorry 'bout any spelling mistakes, but i only had about 5 minutes 2 write
this email. Thanks for taking the time 2 read it.

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Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 23:52:03 +0300
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: To James

Hi.
So, here is my letter to Antichrist.net. I was visiting your site since Dave
posted there a long text about Crystal Ball till an episodic web novel till
now. So, muzer f*cker, it rulez. But I don't want to speak only about your
web, or how cool it is. You know that, don't you?

At first: I'm not Christian (for sure). Then: I'm not Satanist. I took a
great interest in Satanism last winter. But now it's over. 'Cause I think we
must f*ck it. Just f*ck religion. Who cares is there God or Satan. WE JUST
EXIST. And what happens, that happens. No, we aren't decomposing dunghills,
and we aren't as different as snowflakes. No, we just exist. And that is
all. I don't think I'm a 100% atheist. I just don't f*ck about it.

Second: science rulez. It's f*cking fun.

Third: about me. I'm Peter, 14 years old, live in St. Petersburg, Russia,
love to watch movies, listen to rock music (ROCK!), and gather with my
friends. And then I like to design web sites.

I guess, that this letter looks like a spam or advertising or smth, but, I
just want to design your web site, to help you and etc. I think it can be
very fun. And then of course it's free. I just want to do it.

So, just email me, in any case. Hope to work with you. Bye.


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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 21:55:56 +0000 (GMT)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: From the first and the last


Hi human
	You could have heard about antichrist , but you will
see him as soon as possible , his job is not to kill
but to love , by his love he will save his master^Òs
name, and the first sin on this earth will be wiped by
him. His world was created by love and this world will
be distorted by the same love.

amen


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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 16:33:18 +0000 (GMT)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: the hero we can't understand




I am a Christian. I don't go to church and I don't pray. I am a bad
Christian , an hypocrite.

But

A hero kills the dragon and saves the princess.

A hero dies for his country.

There are many kinds of heroes as we know them .

But

Can anyone understand someone who saves both the dragon and the princess?

Can anyone understand someone who dies for all countries?

Telika

I am a bad Christian but when I think about what HE did for me and what
we did to him I cry.

I don't know any hero who I can compare to Christ.

How can I ?

He is a God.

Isn't that obvious ?

(many researchers have shown that the possibility that the Bible's
prophecies were just lucky guesses are really , really small
1/999999999999999999999999999 )

(do you know the city called Petra ? )

(do you know what happened ? )

(look in the Bible , even if it was written before it happened )

(the Apostles died for their beliefs , would die for your beliefs)

(I don't pray to God to save you , because I don't pray , I am a bad
Christian )

(I love science , I think some miracles can be explained by science)

(but this doesn't meen anything)

( why would God break the nature he created ? )

( you are nearly posessed , but you don't know it )

( no one does)

(except me )

(your thoughts are not yours )

( think of that )

(think of all the coincidences)

(then you will understand what I have understanded)

Gia sou


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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:40:25 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re: unholy christ p.o.e.

every sunday all the god fearing christians make their
way to church to worship their god...the f*cked up
thing is the fact that sunday is a pagan holy day and
saturday is the sabbath....isnt there something in the
ten commandments about keeping the sabbath?
and isnt pagan rome known as the first beast?
what would i know? according to those who bow before
the cross (which is idol worship) im a satanist.
funny really...until the 5th century the thought of
praying to anything other than the heavens was
considered heresy ...then along came the papacy and
compromised with the christians...promising not to
kill them for believeing in christ....and those scared
lil people went ahead and changed all that was written
and made petty excuses for the changes...saying it was
gods word...since when is gods word spoken by stupid
people?

so lets see....they have the wrong sabbath...saying
that because sunday is the jewish sabbath its
evil...but the sabbath is the sabbath...no man can
change that....then they worship statues which is
clearly written in the ten commandments as
wrong...these people do it but dont notice it weird
huh?....hmmm what else...OH YAH!!!... ive been told a
thousand times that jesus is god...but in the bible it
clearly says he is the son...and only god should be
worshipped.....damn...these christians really got
their beliefs bassackwards dont they?

i see the antichrist as a good thing..i mean after all
it does signify the second coming and the saving of
the human race doesnt it?
so why do these "god fearing christians" use such
hateful words when they KNOW god hates that sh*t?
oh oh i know...they think theyll be forgiven..well
theyll be forgiven ...god is on earth disguised as a
nuclear bomb

sorry this letter isnt what i normally write...omega
and poe have been sleeping lately...but i wanted to
write something...when they wake up theyll write
more...theyre usually more interesting than i


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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 20:13:24 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re: unholy christ p.o.e.

gary wrote:
>
> every sunday all the god fearing christians make their
> way to church to worship their god...the f*cked up
> thing is the fact that sunday is a pagan holy day

	So true!  Sunday, _SUN_day is the day of celebrating the sun god
Mithra, the god that was in competition to become the dominant religion.
Christianity stole all the great stories of Mithra and applied them to jesus
and thus made the fictional character "jesus" the more powerful, and thus
successful god.  It was a close competition tho, if it wasn't for Emperor
Constantine, the dominant religion today would be Mithraism, and Mithrians
would be writing me and telling me how dumb I am for disbeliaving in Mithra!

	From that perspective, religion in general seems rather stupid.

> i see the antichrist as a good thing..i mean after all
> it does signify the second coming and the saving of
> the human race doesnt it?

	If you want saved, save yourself.  Stockpile food, and items you need.
Prepare to defend your family.  You never know what evil lurks in the hearts
and minds of men who worship the New World Order and Total World Domination!

> so why do these "god fearing christians" use such
> hateful words when they KNOW god hates that sh*t?

	They are weak minded losers, future slaves for the New World Order.

> oh oh i know...they think theyll be forgiven..well
> theyll be forgiven ...god is on earth disguised as a
> nuclear bomb

	Have you visited my page (James page) and decoded the secrets in the
nuclear mushroom cloud yet?  If you click below the picture, and do what the
pagan witch Kathy says to do, you'll find a secret.  :o)  In other words, I am
in TOTAL AGREEMENT on your statement that JESUS is the NUCLEAR BOMB.  :o)

Cheers!
James - Probably the closest thing the world will ever see of THE ANTICHRIST!

Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 06:24:53 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re: unholy christ p.o.e.


hence the name "unholy christ poe"
the unholy christ is what christians catholics muslims
jews etc believe in...their own righteousness and none
other.they dont praise allah or worship jesus because
they fully believe in them...they fear hell and
eternal torture in the pit of fire...
poe is Peace On Earth...which in my opinion will
finally come only after mankind has desacrated 9/10ths
of the world.

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:17:39 EST
To: James@antichrist.net
Subject: Prochrist



I don't know what has happened in your life  for you to turn away from
your creator, but it must have been pretty bad for you to take such
drastic measures. God loves you whether you believe it or not. And it is
not God who does bad things to you or to anyone else. It's satan, because
satan is trying to get as many souls in hell with him as he can get. And
people who do not believe in Christ does not have any idea of what they
are about to face before the end of time. I use to not go to Church but i
saw where i was wrong and i turned my life completely over to God. If you
think satan is so powerful wait till you see what Gods powers are all
about. And if you live to go through the tribulations that are ahead of
all of us. You are going to see things that you wish you hadn't seen.
Because satan will be defeated in the end times and he will be throwed
back in the bottomless pit along with all of his followers. I'm not a
mean person, but satan is somebody i just would rather not know anymore.
Because he doesn't do anything for anybody but makes their lives
miserable. Let me ask you something please. What is in hell that you want
so bad, that your willing to sacrifice your whole life for? I'm praying
for you to change your ways before it is to late.

Gods child

Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:53:24 -0500
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: (No Subject)

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Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 05:26:44 +0000 (GMT)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: existence of God



Hi! I'm a roman catholic but I believe I am a disgraced Roman Catholic.
For so many times now, I have cursed God for all my shortcomings and
misfortunes. I have researched in various libraries just to find facts
that He doesn't exist.I've have talked to other people asking them and
convincing them to turn away from religion as a way of my revenge. I have
debated alot just to win the battle of disproving His existence.

 <"Blessed are the people who believe though they can't see God">.

God is no ordinary figurine or statue that we see everyday. God is Faith.
A Supreme Being. Thus, for you to believe is for you to have Faith. But
if you insist to understand His mystery by reason and logic, you will
never see God.

<"In the absence of knowledge, faith begins">

Furthermore, just imagine the world without God. Don't you think people
will just kill and hurt each other because there is no fear of eternal
damnation. In other worlds, whether or not there is Yahweh, Jesus Christ,
etc, I do believe that there is someone powerful than us who put balance
and order over things. And as of this moment, it is only God that I can
think of.


Editor's note:  Does anyone know if this is a famous christian saying,
because if it is, I think we should have bumper stickers that say:
In the absence of knowledge, stupidity begins!


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Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:10:44 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re: existence of God

elvin wrote:
>
> "In the absence of knowledge, faith begins"

	The absence of knowledge is called "stupidity".  I suggest you
supplant [your word] "faith" with real intelligence.  :o)

> Furthermore, just imagine the world without God. Don't you think people will
> just kill and hurt each other because there is no fear of eternal damnation.

	Eternal damnation doesn't stop the negroes from car-jacking a car,
driving it like crazy until the cops chase them into a power pole (as seen
nightly on "cops").  I am not a criminal, because I am white, and I have an
inborn genetic sense of morality (right and wrong).  I don't need a religion to
prevent me from being evil, for I only do what is right by my emotional and
logical analysis which defines for me what is right and wrong.

> In other worlds, whether or not there is Yahweh, Jesus Christ, etc, I do
> believe that there is someone powerful than us who put balance and order
> over things. And as of this moment, it is only God that I can think of.

	He's doing a piss poor job.  Tell him to wipe out either the muslims or
the jews (pick one) because their f*cking bullsh*t is invading OUR world!

	Oh wait, gods are myth, never mind.  :o)

James

Date: 18 Jan 2003 09:55 GMT
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: hey boy!!


hi!! I´VE READ YOUR LETTERS AND THINK I MUST ANSWER TO YOU!!I KNOW MY
ENLISCH IS NOT VERY GOOD BECAUSE I´M FROM GERMANY BUT I THINK THAT WON´T
BE A BIG PROBLEM!! I´M ANTICHRIST TOO I HATE THIS F*CKING CHRISTIANS I´LL
F*CK OF THEM!!I´LL HEARD THAT YOU ARE A 14 YEAR OLD BOY THATS SOUNDS GOOD
I´M 13 YEARS OLD IT WILL BE NICE IF YOU ANSWER!!:) BYE
 VANESSA

Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 16:31:58 +1100
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: just a question!


Dear James

I came about your site truly by chance! It is a very intersting site and one
i think i may start to visit a lot.

I myself am searching for the truth,(whatever it may be). I would like to
ask you a question though. What or who do you class as 'Christian'?

The Bible has changed through time. Many different versions are out there.
Most of them however, have had much information deleted. For example the
name of the Creator. Do you know His name? Everyone teaches only of Christ.

Religion is a choice and everyone has free will that's true. Many religions
today do not accept a persons choice to ask questions, only follow what is
taught, even if it seems wrong. That is the problem with many religions of
today and their interpretion of the Bible.

The Bible is the largest selling book in all history. It has never been able
to be destroyed, why is that?

I hope you don't mind me asking you for your opinions on my questions. I
would appreciate any feedback.
Take care
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 03:39:06 +0000 (GMT)
To: james@antichrist.net




<The absence of knowledge is called "stupidity".  I suggest you
supplant [your word] "faith" with real intelligence.  :o)>

not believing in  God is the most stupid and regretful real intelligence.
faith is the greatest of all virtues. intelligence is nothing without
faith. How can you claim to be intelligent if you do not know how to save
your soul? For your sake, if you want to save your soul, turn back to
God. God is all patient, he is waiting for you.

<Eternal damnation doesn't stop the negroes from car-jacking a
car,driving it like crazy until the cops chase them into a power pole (as
seennightly on "cops").  >

Its true that eternal damnation wont stop them, because there is FREE
WILL. God gave us free will to decide what life to travel and actions to
take. For the Blacks, the circumstances(maybe discrimination by the
Whites) surrounding them may have caused that particular behavoir. But
who are we to judge them.

Can't you feel it James, you are blessed by God  because you were born
with white skin. you are not discriminated by othe people( I HOPE)

<I am not a criminal, because I am white, and I have an inborn genetic
sense of morality (right and wrong).  >

morality is determined by society . morality in one place is different
from those of others. What is moral in some regions may not be moral to
the others. therefore, dont be falsified in a morality that in itself you
know is  immoral. I guess the kind of environment that you have at
present greatly influenced

< I don't need a religion to prevent me from being evil, for I only do
what is right by my emotional
and logical analysis which defines for me what is right and wrong.>

Wisdom tells us what is right and what is wrong. wisdom is far different
from morality. wisdom is a gift from the Holy Spirit. if you know what is
right, then i challenge you to ask yourself whether what you are
presently believing is the right one.

Dont you know that wisdom came from religion(maybe you are not aware of
this).

the kind of right and wrong that you believe in is selfish because you
based them in your own emotional and logical analysis. remember that you
belong in a society and you must ergo consider the rights and the wrongs
of others. In other people,  what is right for you may be bad for them or
vice versa.

Honestly, i believe that you are a very nice and good person.and  one of
the reasons why you keep on hating God is because you experienced
something bad and you balmed God for it. Please, i beg you. God works in
mysterious ways. Take the cases of  St. Augustine and St. Paul. You can
never tell what gonna happen next. God has a good plan for all of us. its
only a matter of faith.

James, by the way, i am elvin montes. i am a filipino and i am a not a
good person. but at least i have faith.






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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:54:56 -0600
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Cool site!


James, impressive art, also content.  I feel better after looking at your
"gospel," and will visit again, soon.  Somebody had a typo, "benin" for
"benign."  I have some attempted philosophical stuff at
www.mightmakesright.com and also at www.mightmakesright.com/opusmagn.htm
(it's not linked)  All text, however.  Also, I am
www.lawyeratrocitiesnews.com as well as www.darksideofdenton.com   Best
wishes, James! bye,rossmeltonjr.


Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 05:15:10 +0000 (GMT)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: faith



Hold faithfulness and sincerity as first principles. Confucius (551 BC -
479 BC), The Confucian Analects

Faith is a cop-out. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by
faith, then you are conceding that it can^Òt be taken on its own merits.
Dan Barker, "Losing Faith in Faith", 1992

If you can't have faith in what is held up to you for faith, you must
find things to believe in yourself, for a life without faith in something
is too narrow a space to live. George E. Woodberry

Treat the other man's faith gently; it is all he has to believe with. His
mind was created for his own thoughts, not yours or mine. Henry S.
Haskins

Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens. J. R. R.
Tolkien (1892 - 1973)

What I am actually saying is that we need to be willing to let our
intuition guide us, and then be willing to follow that guidance directly
and fearlessly. Shakti Gawain

To believe in God or in a guiding force because someone tells you to is
the height of stupidity. We are given senses to receive our information
within. With our own eyes we see, and with our own skin we feel. With our
intelligence, it is intended that we understand. But each person must
puzzle it out for himself or herself. Sophy Burnham

Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether
impossible. Stanislaw Lem (1921 - )

  Whatever God's dream about man may be, it seems certain it cannot come
true unless man cooperates. Stella


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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 00:43:11 -0600
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: [no subject]

F*CK YOU LOVE GOD NOT SATAN

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:37:04 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: The Greater Scientist...

Dear James,

I've come across your website by mistake while I was on my way towards
other sites with google, but stopped to see your sites contents. With all
due respect, I am left to wonder why you reject the existance of God...you
have thoroughly pointed out why you reject the existance of Jesus, and
it's been noted...even without the colorful upside-down crosses sported on
your main page...

But I am left to wonder why it is that God is not seen by you as the
greatest scientist and creator of all; to a level humanity has not
experienced?

I understand your role as a scientist; because I share it. But if I may
express my side I would be most appreciative of your hearing me out.

If I could offer proof that there may be a God unseen...

We know atoms exist, though we cannot see them. Those without an electron
microscope might reject our proof though, only because they didn't get the
chance to see what we saw with our advanced tools.

We know atoms...all matter composed thereof, are in a constant state of
motion. Yet, our eyes cannot see this motion without the proper tools.

We exist, as complex lifeforms with potential beyond even our own
conception. But those who have never seen us, or known of our existance
may very well say we do not exist simply because they have never seen or
met us personally. Does that mean we do not exist? I may never meet you
face to face...nevre see more than your email reply, but I know that you
exist!

Who is to say we are not a part of a test to see if we are able to become
more than self-aware; become more than our physical limitations impose? To
realize our creator exists...moreover that he is guiding us to areas of
new knowledge we would have possibly not attained on our own...just as
knowledge comes from books and experience, faith comes from a source
too...

Should either of us be so quick to discard eachother's valid points on
this matter? I should hope not. It would be unscientific; if nothing else
inconsiderate.

As both a Christian and a Scientist (not a Christian Scientist!!!
lol...people mistakenly assume that when stated!), I see both sides of
this situation...I feel sometimes people do not give themselves the fair
opportunity to know there is a God as others like myself have come to know
Him. I feel others still, Christian or not, are so dead set on conversion
by the proverbial sword...is it safe to assume they all hurt too much to
be proven 'wrong', or is it the fear to look under the spiritual version
of an electron microscope to see what they've never seen before? How
should one react if their life is based on a lie I wonder?...The truth
hurts I suppose.

I believe the Bible has been misinterpreted, miscommunicated, and misused
many a time...but the core truth of it cannot be altered. If it does
change beyond its measure of truth, it is no longer a Holy Bible at all.

You may have wondered why I won't tell you you "Need to be saved" or "God
will burn you in hell if you don't repent"...I know the truth, James. I
know God permits people to select HIM, not vice versa. The Jews are not
the chosen people any more than anyone else, and I won't tell you you must
believe any certain way. On the other hand, if you don't select Him...I
don't see why, fairly, He should spare people you if you would not spare
Him by example...

I'm not about to push it on you or anyone else...aggression and the need
to debate are the very fiber of destruction...and is based upon
conversion; alteration; manipulation; or unhealthy change. I won't be an
accomplice to it on any level. But I will say that I won't deny God nor
agree with your website.

I have too much proof for myself that God exists, and some personal proof
that Jesus is His Son. Faith (unfortunately) is a radically different
procedure than the scientific method. Totally different. No one's
hypothesis is the same twice, and no proof for one scientific study will
suffice as accurate data for another.

This may sound bold, but I mean it. I do know the truth, and I stand by
it. I am a Christian, and I know the truth needs no defense. If I were to
present anything but the truth, I wouldn't be asking questions at all, but
feel I had to defend it tooth and nail. I've presented my beliefs and I'll
leave it at that for you to decide upon as you wish, good or bad.

My thoughts as I read your website:

God did create us. He created all that we see, all that we have. We are
not alone, though we may feel like it. Everything in nature can be ordered
or represented by a number (sounds pagan I know, but it's not).  Each of
these numbers or names represent all we are, physically, and all that can
exist...from the most basic form of quarks that compose atoms to the
largest scale of physical masses...there is an exact number of
probabilities for all of them. Earth's science is limited James, our
mathematics are fantastic...we make new developments and perservere
against the odds...but have you ever asked yourself where this knowledge
comes from? If there is a greater science out there...and if so, are you
depriving yourself of that knowledge by rejecting your mentor?

These are a lot of questions, and I do apologize for asking so many with
one email. I have many more, but I've probably asked quite enough for now.
I would really like to hear what you have to say.

Again, I don't want to debate, as debates are futile and otherwise evil.
We could beat around bushes and run circles forever with actual valid
points trying to out-do one another on an intellectual scale.

All I want is to know why you personally feel the way you do about
Christians and God in general. I've read the website, but I would rather
hear it from the heart of the person who wrote it...just a freely spoken
reply of well placed emotion on top of the intelligence you already
possess.

Thanks for reading my email, and I hope to hear from you soon.

                                                      Cordially,
                                                     James W

 "Just a Chrsitian man who tries to practice what he preaches. Rare!"


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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:28:00 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re: The Greater Scientist...

On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, James W wrote:

> Dear James,
>
> I've come across your website by mistake while I was on my way towards
> other sites with google, but stopped to see your sites contents. With
> all due respect, I am left to wonder why you reject the existance of
> God...you have thoroughly pointed out why you reject the existance of
> Jesus, and it's been noted...even without the colorful upside-down
> crosses sported on your main page...
>
> But I am left to wonder why it is that God is not seen by you as the
> greatest scientist and creator of all; to a level humanity has not
> experienced?

	Because gods are not real, they are mere wishful thinking, as you are
about to explain below.

> I understand your role as a scientist; because I share it. But if I
> may express my side I would be most appreciative of your hearing me
> out.
>
> If I could offer proof that there may be a God unseen...
>
> We know atoms exist, though we cannot see them. Those without an
> electron microscope might reject our proof though, only because they
> didn't get the chance to see what we saw with our advanced tools.

	You just explained why god doesn't exist.  Years ago, when man first
began practicing surgery, the surgeons did not wash their hands between
patients.  The reason why was because they didn't yet know that unseen germs are
what caused infection.  Today, we look back at those ignorant surgeons and
think of them as barbarians.  Someday in the future, people will look back upon
people such as yourself and think the same thing, that "someday" when we really
do know for sure where the universe came from and how it was formed.

	How do the presents get under the tree?  Santa Clause brings them!
Today we know that this simplistic answer is false.  Where did life and the
universe come from?  God created it all.  We should assume by example that this
simplistic explanation, coined by ancient ignorant (by todays standards)
barbarians at the dawn of civilization, to be false.  Just as you said above,
people without electron microscopes don't know atoms exist.  Can't you religious
[so-called] Scientists just accept the phrase "we don't know"?  Why must you
attribute a child-like simplistic answer "god made it" to anything as yet
unknown?  Don't you realize that before man knew what germs were, they
attributed disease to "gods will" or possibly "the work of the devil"?  Today
we LAUGH at such lunacy, just as hopefully, someday in the distant future,
people will laugh at your explanation for the origins of life and the universe.

> All I want is to know why you personally feel the way you do about
> Christians and God in general. I've read the website, but I would
> rather hear it from the heart of the person who wrote it...just a
> freely spoken reply of well placed emotion on top of the intelligence
> you already possess.

	Because unlike you, I am a REAL Scientist, when I know something is
true, I say so (and only if I have proof which can be repeated by anyone given
the proper tools).  When I don't know something, I say I do not know, but am
working to find out, I never attribute mythical gods to any equation.  You know
I am correct, you were trained in critical objective thinking, trained to be
skeptical, but only IF you are as you claim, an actual Scientist.

	Science could advance at a much quicker rate IF we could get
religionists and ethicists OUT of it.  Examples; cloning and stem cell research.

James

Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 05:05:14 +0000
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: You? The AntiChrist.. HEH!


ok man.. You call yourselves the antichrist.. and AS antichrists you must
worship unto Satan, and study the bible.. well im just e-mailing you my
theory on your Beliefs.. as antichrists you must ALSO worshape unto George
Walker Bush Jr.. because in all prospectives the bible teachs us that there
will be 3 major world wars.. ww1,ww2,ww3(which is upon us) and as most of us
know george bush's full name is all letters of 6 George(6)Walker(6)BushJr(6)
so are you not a profit of american government? haha i think so my friend
nothing but the governments monkey.. in the bible it states that The Dragon
will Desend from the East.. and the Bear from the North.. destroying the
Eagle.. im my theory China which has Signed an Agreement with Korea..
represents the Dragon, Russia as the Bear, and America as the Eagle.. but im
asking you this.. were do you stand in all of this? who are you rooting for
so to speek? Satan,Bush,Hussaine,Or China? which catigory does your little
"Cliq" fall under? from what i read on your website, None of the TRUTH about
Satan,God,The Bible, falls into anything you represent except for your hate
of Jesus.. so in other words im calling You Fakes and saying you don't
understand what you represent! get the facts straight before you go calling
yourselves something you know nothing about =P

                     Jay!



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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:31:06 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Response to your response to a Christian...




"Sagan died of lymphoma, a form of cancer.  It is a slow, painful, and
lingering death...this man is dying, and dying an ATHEIST..." Who do you
think struck Carl Sagan with cancer? NO...not God but Satan--the one who
brings about Anti-Christ. However, God had to ALLOW Satan to strike Mr.
Sagan with the devestating sickness (check out Job chapter 6). Anyway,
have you ever considered why exactly God MAY have LET the sickness strike
Sagan? Could it possibly have been an opportunity for God to get his
attention?

"I personally see religions as a crutch.  The crippled use crutches to
walk, otherwise they fall down.  Religions are used the same way by the
weak people in our society, and I can accept that." I don't see why (as
being a Christian myself) you consider Christians to be "weak." How do
you account for the millions and millions of Christians across the world
and throughout time (not to mention the many many Christians each day)
are KILLED BECAUSE OF THEIR BELIEF IN JESUS, and the thousands of
Christians who continue to risk their lives to share the Gospel througout
the world?

"I can tell you are a GOOD PERSON, nonetheless.  :o)  I too _try_ really
hard to be a good person, even tho I'm not trying to win favors with some
god or gods.  I strive to be a decent person because it's the RIGHT thing
to do!" Something that struck me is when you said, "I'm not trying to win
favors with some god or gods..." The one and true God (the God in three
persons): Father, Son, and Holy Spirit--is a God who you can not "win
favor" with. NOTHING you do can save you---only by taking a leap of faith
for the one who sacrificed His very own life for you: Jesus.


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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:57:32 -0600
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: hey im 16..and athiest



hey...ok that f*cking christian who wrote i dont want to convert you or
anything is pissin me off!Because i see that every f*cking day!Im with the
13 year old who said "why beleive in something you cant prove." anyways most
christians use this "God" as comfort if a family member has died or
somethin. its total b.s. that someone would beleive in something that you
cannot see taste hear nor feel..ok im sure most people are think but mustard
gas you dont see, taste, hear, or feel. but mustard gas you know you have it
because you die!
People predicting the future... OH COME ON! They pretty much make guess of
the top of their f*cking head like when a big explosion happens the world
will feel great pain.. it may seem like im talking about a atomic bomb but i
could be talking about a f*cking comet.. what the hell! anyways c ya i gotta
end this before i make it a year long.. please excuse my language.  Josh


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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:17:06 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: I want to join the team

Hi,
I am Pocious from Nigeria. I'd like to join the Antichrist team. I
am very much interested in it. Please reply and give me the details.

Pocious
Nigeria

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 02:06:44 EST
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re: I created this new email account.



Got this one too, James. Oh yea, thanks for helping me out with that
virus. The mother f*cker got me good, infected 22 files. I cleaned it all
up with McCaffe's Stinger. Yea, Windows blows. And this puppy's new, I
up-graded a few months ago, so even worse, I've got XP now. And haven't
had a chance to get an anti-virus software on here yet, I'll probably go
back to that site you recomended when I've got the extra cash. Hey, talk
soon. Later.

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:43:22 +0000
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: question

hi,
first of all, i want to tell u that i'm not a christian either. i have my
own beliefs.. but what differs me from you is that i believe there is a
higher substance beyond human..
substance that creates us and this world.. otherwise how would you explain
the first human being on this planet??

i also have question. we often hear about praise and worship actions among
christians.. as well as the healing mass that has cure many people from
their diseases.. if there is no other substances beyond humans, then how
come they cured???

that's all from me.. sorry i don't speak english well..






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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:43:43 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re: The Greater Scientist...


*Sorry for the late reply; out of town to business summons me occasionally.

--- First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net> wrote:
>You just explained why god doesn't exist.  Years ago, when man first
>began practicing surgery, the surgeons did not wash their hands between
>patients.  The reason why was because they didn't yet know that unseen
>germs are what caused infection.  Today, we look back at those ignorant
>surgeons and think of them as barbarians.  Someday in the future,
>people will look back upon people such as yourself and think the same
>thing, that "someday" when we really
>do know for sure where the universe came from and how it was formed.

Well, I hope the answers are discovered. It's frustrating to not know,
especially for those who empower themselves with knowledge to drive their
ambitions. We will eventually know, I'm sure, with time and much work.
However, it still does not exclude the possiblity that a higher being
created this entire universe as a controlled test for their experiment(s).
I suppose we shall see...

>	How do the presents get under the tree?  Santa Clause brings them!
>Today we know that this simplistic answer is false.  Where did life and the
>universe come from?  God created it all.  We should assume by example that this
>simplistic explanation, coined by ancient ignorant (by todays standards)
>barbarians at the dawn of civilization, to be false.  Just as you said above,
>people without electron microscopes don't know atoms exist.  Can't you religious
>[so-called] Scientists just accept the phrase "we don't know"?  Why must you
>attribute a child-like simplistic answer "god made it" to anything as yet
>unknown?  Don't you realize that before man knew what germs were, they
>attributed disease to "gods will" or possibly "the work of the devil"?

I know better than to use my beliefs as a crutch, or just say 'because God
did it'. There is a reason for everything, and an answer to be found for
the dilligent who are merciless with their pursuit of it. I don't just use
the idea of God simplistically, not even slightly. I attribute great
complexity, science, and much of what we do know now from our own existing
work to the greatness yet to come. Even still, I see our accomplishments
marginal by comparison to His works, just as you pointed out, that today's
surgeons may call those of the past barbarians...are work may look
downright crude and simplistic to God, though it is extraordinarily
complex for us.

If it weren't for my own awareness of God, bestowed upon me during a time
when I was outright skeptical of His existance, I would not use God's
existance so freely, and would probably agree with your statement.

>Today
>we LAUGH at such lunacy, just as hopefully, someday in the distant future,
>people will laugh at your explanation for the origins of life and the universe.

The thing is though...I have not explained how I see the origins of life
or the universe to anyone, so it is innacurate to assume you know my
theory before it is presented.

Many Christians may see it differently than I do, the thumpers may even
call me a 'false prophet', as much of what I believe is based with sound
logic NOT fanatical claims to control others.

A one-belief-structure-fits-all approach is seldom effective for
classification. Adaptive methods and heuristic analysis will almost always
yield greater performance for end results. As a scientist you should know
this.

>> All I want is to know why you personally feel the way you do about
>> Christians and God in general. I've read the website, but I would
>> rather hear it from the heart of the person who wrote it...just a
>> freely spoken reply of well placed emotion on top of the intelligence
>> you already possess.
>
>	Because unlike you, I am a REAL Scientist,

I've yet to live a day out of my life as a fake one lol. :P

>when I know something is
>true, I say so (and only if I have proof which can be repeated by anyone given
>the proper tools).  When I don't know something, I say I do not know, but am
>working to find out, I never attribute mythical gods to any equation.

That is right, and I respect that. Likewise, I would do the same if I were
not presented with information to act on otherwise.

Anyone who could not do the above I would not consider to be a real
scientist worthy of any merit. I was perhaps given an unfair advantage
over others to be given the proof I have today of God; it is proof that
only applies and can be tested with my own case. I won't lie to you and
tell you you must believe me, because as a scientist that is simply not
good enough. The knowledge of God varies randomly among people who know of
Him; there are no laboratories yet sufficient to conduct the studies of
celestial sciences, my personal tools work for me, but I honestly doubt
they will be compatable with any others who may actively be searching for
the existance of God...or even those who have found Him.

There is as much proof that He does exist as there is that He does not.
Without the ability to provide for celestial science, there is no way to
prove God exists or does not exist anymore than we could prove magnetism
exists with a flower petal and a green jelly bean.

There is no logical equivalence between celestial and earthly sciences,
and this is why neither of us can accurately prove nor disprove our
theories using today's primitive methods alone.

I cannot force anyone to assimilate my knowledge or even attempt to
emulate the end results based upon my own unique experiences and
experiments. Even if it were possible, it would more than likely be
unethical. Faith is, unfortunately, the only real way for a person of
today's age to express their belief for or against God. It is hard, for me
especially, to be ok with this...as I am wanting to know the answers to
everything, and have devoted most of my life to reach these goals.

But this is where we are at, this is why I did not quote you scripture,
and this is why any arguments on this subject is merely my word against
yours on a mental or physical level.

>You know
>I am correct, you were trained in critical objective thinking, trained to be
>skeptical, but only IF you are as you claim, an actual Scientist.
>
>	Science could advance at a much quicker rate IF we could get
>religionists and ethicists OUT of it.  Examples; cloning and stem cell research.
>
>James

I am a true scientist, as are you. I am curious to know what field(s) you
study and research? I do computer science; my personal fascinations are
with number theory/information theory, nanotechnology, data compression,
and quantum computing. Thanks again for your email, and I wish you a
prosperous day.

                                                           James W.

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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:52:52 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re: The Greater Scientist...

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, James W wrote:
>
> *Sorry for the late reply; out of town to business summons me
> occasionally.

	I understand, I don't hold anyones feet in the fire, in fact, typically
I don't get more than one email from most people.  :o)

> --- First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net> wrote:
> >surgeons and think of them as barbarians.  Someday in the future,
> >people will look back upon people such as yourself and think the same
> >thing, that "someday" when we really do know for sure where the
> >universe came from and how it was formed.
>
> Well, I hope the answers are discovered. It's frustrating to not know,
> especially for those who empower themselves with knowledge to drive
> their ambitions. We will eventually know, I'm sure, with time and much
> work. However, it still does not exclude the possiblity that a higher
> being created this entire universe as a controlled test for their
> experiment(s). I suppose we shall see...

	We will eventually have more and more answers, we will never answer
every question, because as a Scientist you know, each answer only raises more
and more questions (as it should).  :o)  My only point is that YOU should not,
as a scientist, attribute mythical gods, invented at the dawn of civilization
by barbarians, to answer any questions we as yet don't have the answers to.

> >     How do the presents get under the tree?  Santa Clause brings them!
> >Today we know that this simplistic answer is false.
>
> I know better than to use my beliefs as a crutch, or just say 'because
> God did it'. There is a reason for everything, and an answer to be
> found for the dilligent who are merciless with their pursuit of it.

	If there is a reason for everything, then why believe in god(s)?

> I don't just use the idea of God simplistically, not even slightly. I
> attribute great complexity, science, and much of what we do know now
> from our own existing work to the greatness yet to come. Even still, I
> see our accomplishments marginal by comparison to His works, just as

	There you go again, attributing that which you are unable to
comprehend, or unwilling to explore, to mythical gods!  Can't you be as
rational as I am, and draw the parallel between the past, when sick people were
stricken by satan, and today, merely infected with parasitic lifeforms (germs)?

	If there was a god, and he truly loved us, why would he create disease
germs, disease viruses (aids, smallpox, polio) which has harmed MANY!  Why
would god create intestinal worms (parasites)?  As a Scientist, I am often
asked to make hypothesis, and the one I am making is that the indications
clearly show, that gods are nothing but wishful thinking.

> you pointed out, that today's surgeons may call those of the past
> barbarians...are work may look downright crude and simplistic to God,
> though it is extraordinarily complex for us.

	Again, you are fabricating something in your mind to comprehend that
which you are unable to comprehend.  My measured IQ is 232 (Cattell) so there
is very little that seems (or is) incomprehensible to me.  Perhaps that's an
advantage to me, and a disadvantage to you.  Perhaps if I was lacking in my
ability to reason, I too would attribute all that confused me to the will of
gods.  Thankfully, that is not the case.  :o)

> If it weren't for my own awareness of God, bestowed upon me during a
> time when I was outright skeptical of His existance, I would not use
> God's existance so freely, and would probably agree with your
> statement.

	Did you experience a self-induced hypnotic event, invoked at a period
of great stress in your life, or perhaps a misfiring in your brain (schizotypal
event) which is the basis for your religious beLIEfs?  When you "drop acid" and
"see god" is that really god or just a hallucination?  When you have a
spontaneous hallucination, caused by disease or stress, is that somehow real?

> >Today
> >we LAUGH at such lunacy, just as hopefully, someday in the distant future,
> >people will laugh at your explanation for the origins of life and the
> >universe.
>
> The thing is though...I have not explained how I see the origins of
> life or the universe to anyone, so it is innacurate to assume you know
> my theory before it is presented.

	I assume at a time of great stress, you broke down and hallucinated
some [presumed to be] external force, which you interpreted as a deity.  This is
quite common in humans.  In fact, there is much to indicate that MOST religions
are created by untreated schizophrenics.  All of the new religions are at least.

> Many Christians may see it differently than I do, the thumpers may
> even call me a 'false prophet', as much of what I believe is based
> with sound logic NOT fanatical claims to control others.

	Here on antichrist dot net, my friend David, an untreated schizophrenic,
used to talk about his special interpretations of the bible.  It was unique,
but not at all unlike the interpretations of OTHER schizophrenics.  :o)

> A one-belief-structure-fits-all approach is seldom effective for
> classification. Adaptive methods and heuristic analysis will almost
> always yield greater performance for end results. As a scientist you
> should know this.

	As a Scientist, I don't have beLIEfs, I have KNOWLEDGE.  I don't say "I
believe", I either say "I know" or "I do not know".  Anything else, and I am
not a Scientist, I am a shamen.

> >     Because unlike you, I am a REAL Scientist,
>
> I've yet to live a day out of my life as a fake one lol. :P

	Take god out of the equation then, because with all the science we now
master, god is not a factor AT ALL in ANY OF IT!  To presume god(s) are a
factor in the "yet unknown" is just bad hypothesizing.  Gods do not cause
disease, nor cure disease, so hypothesize that gods did not create the
universe.  Take from what you know, to hypothesize about what you do not.
           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >when I know something is
> >true, I say so (and only if I have proof which can be repeated by anyone given
> >the proper tools).  When I don't know something, I say I do not know, but am
> >working to find out, I never attribute mythical gods to any equation.
>
> That is right, and I respect that. Likewise, I would do the same if I
> were not presented with information to act on otherwise.

	This is what makes you a defective Scientist.  I don't mean to offend
you, but if you continue to cling on to myths created in lieu of Science at the
dawn of civilization, then you are doomed to be an inadequate Scientist.

> Anyone who could not do the above I would not consider to be a real
> scientist worthy of any merit. I was perhaps given an unfair advantage
> over others to be given the proof I have today of God; it is proof
> that only applies and can be tested with my own case. I won't lie to
> you and tell you you must believe me, because as a scientist that is
> simply not good enough.

	Ok, reproduce god.  Write the equations so that I too may reproduce god
in my laboratory.  If you fail to be able to do that, god is not real.  It's as
simple as that, and as a Scientist you KNOW that I am correct!  There are
millions of people who believe in paranormal phenomenon, but until one of them
can reproduce such events in a controlled situation, it is not true Science.
If you laugh at the paranormal believers, then laugh as well at religionists.

> The knowledge of God varies randomly among
> people who know of Him; there are no laboratories yet sufficient to
> conduct the studies of celestial sciences,

	Then why can't you simply say as I do, "we do not everything about the
origins of the universe".  We know a little, but we have a long way to go.  Why
must everyone attribute that which they don't understand to mythical gods.  Man
has been doing that for centuries, maybe it's just a quirk in your psyche, I
don't know.  Maybe we're just lazy and always take the easy way out.  Gods are
easy, SCIENCE IS HARD!  You don't have to work at god, you DO at Science.

> my personal tools work for
> me, but I honestly doubt they will be compatable with any others who
> may actively be searching for the existance of God...or even those who
> have found Him.

	Nobody has been able to prove even slightly that there are divine
origins to anything in the Universe.  Conversely, there is MUCH to disprove the
Universe originated by the will of some deity.

	Let me raise one skeptical point here.  If the ancients, the people who
invented the god(s) you pray to, were so smart about knowing god(s) exist, why
were they so DUMB about everything else?  Hypothesis; they were dumb about
EVERYTHING, including the existence of gods.  How's that for ya!  :o)

> There is as much proof that He does exist as there is that He does
> not. Without the ability to provide for celestial science, there is no
> way to prove God exists or does not exist anymore than we could prove
> magnetism exists with a flower petal and a green jelly bean.

	Magnetism can be reproduced in the lab, I can show you how.  Gods can
not be reproduced in the lab, you are unable to show me how.  Your parallels to
a flower petal and a jelly bean are examples of BAD SCIENCE since they are
irrelevant, and not at all related to magnetism.

> There is no logical equivalence between celestial and earthly
> sciences, and this is why neither of us can accurately prove nor
> disprove our theories using today's primitive methods alone.

	In _EVERY_ case where gods were once believed to influence nature, and
where Science has supplanted that myth with known, reproducible fact, there has
NEVER been any god included in the equation, NEVER!  Since in the areas where
we DO understand, there is no influence by gods, extrapolate that in the areas
where we do NOT yet understand, there will be no influence by gods.  This my
friend is why I consider myself to be a REAL Scientist.  I think logically.

> I cannot force anyone to assimilate my knowledge or even attempt to
> emulate the end results based upon my own unique experiences and
> experiments. Even if it were possible, it would more than likely be
> unethical. Faith is, unfortunately, the only real way for a person of
> today's age to express their belief for or against God. It is hard,
> for me especially, to be ok with this...as I am wanting to know the
> answers to everything, and have devoted most of my life to reach these
> goals.

	You fall short of your own desires, thus reach out for the security of
your god for answers to that which you are unable to comprehend, or unwilling
to explore.  This is typical in humans, so don't feel bad.  This was how the
gods were created in the first place, by protohumans.  :o)

> But this is where we are at, this is why I did not quote you
> scripture, and this is why any arguments on this subject is merely my
> word against yours on a mental or physical level.

	Reproduce god, or send him to me.  I've made that offer to christians
for years, yet no god appears, no reproduction is made.  Gods are not real.

> >You know
> >I am correct, you were trained in critical objective thinking, trained to be
> >skeptical, but only IF you are as you claim, an actual Scientist.
> >
> >     Science could advance at a much quicker rate IF we could get
> >religionists and ethicists OUT of it.  Examples; cloning and stem
> >cell research.
> >
> >James
>
> I am a true scientist, as are you.

	I wouldn't hire you.  ;o)

> I am curious to know what field(s)
> you study and research?

	I am a polytechnical research Scientist, involved in the areas of
embedded application & design, robotics, biotech, transgenics, and in general
research in the fields of physics, biology, and chemistry.

> I do computer science; my personal
> fascinations are with number theory/information theory,
> nanotechnology, data compression, and quantum computing.

	You would like to play with my artificial intelligence engine then.  It
has passed the Turing 1 and Turing 2 tests for artificial intelligence.  It is
based upon the model created by Dr. Richard Wallace.  It's pretty cool!  :o)
Write to Frederick, he's experienced it and can tell you more.

> Thanks again
> for your email, and I wish you a prosperous day.
>
>                                                            James W.

	Same to you, only I will wish one more thing for you.  I wish you would
be more critical and more skeptical in your thoughts.  I wish you would
research farther than to attribute the unknown to "gods".  That's what I wish.

Cheers!
James

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 16:38:04 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re: The Greater Scientist...



--- First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, James W wrote:
>	I understand, I don't hold anyones feet in the fire, in fact, typically
>I don't get more than one email from most people.  :o)

lol, thanks. :) Most people I'm sure get frustrated with the answers and
bow out quickly. It doesn't look good for them either, especially if they
were really set to prove their point. :P I suppose it shows the level to
how objective they are to logic. Regardless, I've enjoyed our
correspondance as you have sound logic, and a sense of humor to boot. :)

>	We will eventually have more and more answers, we will never answer
>every question, because as a Scientist you know, each answer only raises more
>and more questions (as it should).  :o)  My only point is that YOU should not,
>as a scientist, attribute mythical gods, invented at the dawn of civilization
>by barbarians, to answer any questions we as yet don't have the answers to.

True. It is difficult, as a a person who believes God to completely
seperate one area from the other. There are times it does prevent me from
advancement toward certain areas I really wanted to pursue. I suppose it
only makes it more of a challenge for me. However, I won't say my
efficiency does not suffer because of my beliefs sometimes. MOST times, I
do not put religious connotations of any sort toward active works of
science. With creation and origin, I have a tendancy to do so because of
the big question mark that hangs above it still.

>	There you go again, attributing that which you are unable to
>comprehend, or unwilling to explore, to mythical gods!  Can't you be as
>rational as I am, and draw the parallel between the past, when sick people were
>stricken by satan, and today, merely infected with parasitic lifeforms (germs)?

It's difficult, at least for me, as I am torn between my love for science,
and my love for God. My entire life I was brought up to know both as
existant truths. Does this seem conflicting? Very! But I'm sure by the
time my body expires, and my work is completed as best I could do it, I
will have a very definitive yes or no answer.

>
>	If there was a god, and he truly loved us, why would he create disease
>germs, disease viruses (aids, smallpox, polio) which has harmed MANY!  Why
>would god create intestinal worms (parasites)?  As a Scientist, I am often
>asked to make hypothesis, and the one I am making is that the indications
>clearly show, that gods are nothing but wishful thinking.

My belief on this is, that if our enviroment is a controlled experiment
for beings we cannot yet see or prove, illness + despair may be behavior
control variables to use for analysis. This adds many more unknowns to the
existing questions previously unanswered for the purpose of life itself.
People still cannot prove that a big bang occured, and if it did, who may
have heard it? (bang! lol). Though based more upon science we have proven,
science we know to be true...even Darwinism much less evolution itself
does not explain exactly how, and why, we were created. It presents
objective ideas, good stuff for thesis statements even...but like any
belief it does not answer everything logically.

One of the questions I have often wondered is where do the quarks come
from that make up atoms? The results released from MIT upon this subject
didn't seem to be carried further...either their funding was cut, or some
other reason existed as to why they did not pursue it. Have you heard any
more after the late 70's/early 80's on their experiments with fractional
pieces of atoms? How small can structures be? What is the finite level of
what seems to be infinite scaled structures? So many questions to
answer...just makes me itch to know them now.

Is that not the most frustrating thing? To know there is an answer but not
have it yet???

>My measured IQ is 232 (Cattell) so there
>is very little that seems (or is) incomprehensible to me.  Perhaps that's an
>advantage to me, and a disadvantage to you.  Perhaps if I was lacking in my
>ability to reason, I too would attribute all that confused me to the will of
>gods.  Thankfully, that is not the case.  :o)

Lol. Well, I have taken several IQ tests just to see how I would fare. All
of them seemed to have different biases they were particular to; either
abstract mathematics, mechanical reasoning, algebraic logic, verbal
skills, or memory questions are just a few of a myriad of known areas they
test on. Test scores for me, varied greatly. Of the 8 tests I had tried,
all of them were either very high, or very low. None of them seemed to be
average to any degree. One test for example, had a maximum of 180 pts.
Another, a maximum of 327 pts. Yet another still had a max. of 516. I
scored nearly 168 out of 180 with the first test. Was quite pleased.
Scored 236 out of 327 with the second. Not pleased. Scored 486 out of 516
on the third. With the fourth, which only had 100 pts. maximum, I only
scored 51! I was like WTF! I suppose the only real way to measure IQ tests
correctly would be to give several of them, then provide the average of
all test scores combined to give a more reliable figure.
>
>	Did you experience a self-induced hypnotic event, invoked at a period
>of great stress in your life, or perhaps a misfiring in your brain
>(schizotypal event) which is the basis for your religious beLIEfs?

If I were able to tell you honestly, if this was the case, then I would
not waste anyone's time presenting what I believe. :D

>When you "drop acid" and
>"see god" is that really god or just a hallucination?  When you have a
>spontaneous hallucination, caused by disease or stress, is that somehow real?

That's a fair question. I really feel there's a lot of people who play
with drugs who shouldn't so they may 'experience God'. This is totally
different from my own experiences. I have, since I was a young child,
rejected drugs, alchohol, and most other known elements which were clearly
harmful to my well being. I've given up television and movies entirely
too, as my work is too important to be distracted by nonsense like that.
It is safe to say that those people who do use drugs to see things, etc.
do actually believe what they've seen. For me it wasn't drug related. I
cannot prove or disprove it was a neuron misfire either. Today's
provisions for proof are crude. Look how hard it is to prove the existance
of or recreate just one unit of anti-matter! How much harder it is to try
and prove the unknown...
>
>	Here on antichrist dot net, my friend David, an untreated schizophrenic,
>used to talk about his special interpretations of the bible.  It was unique,
>but not at all unlike the interpretations of OTHER schizophrenics.  :o)

lol..:P I know, there are far too many insane people who use religion as a
crutch simply because they cannot or will not understand that as strongly
as they believe there is a God to be proven, there is a scientist willing
to disprove their belief. This is something most religious people cannot
handle due to their emotion over logic, and probably one possible reason
people do not wish to write further on the subject.

>	As a Scientist, I don't have beLIEfs, I have KNOWLEDGE.  I don't say "I
>believe", I either say "I know" or "I do not know".  Anything else, and I am
>not a Scientist, I am a shamen.

Or a Rabbi? LMFAO...Christians are not always with it, a lot of them are
hypocrates too. But if not for the Jews Christianity would not exist. I
see them as a bigger threat than Christians because popular Christianity
is based upon Judiastic stories to usher their control of people who will
believe them.

>> I've yet to live a day out of my life as a fake one lol. :P
>
>	Take god out of the equation then, because with all the science we now
>master, god is not a factor AT ALL in ANY OF IT!  To presume god(s) are a
>factor in the "yet unknown" is just bad hypothesizing.  Gods do not cause
>disease, nor cure disease, so hypothesize that gods did not create the
>universe.  Take from what you know, to hypothesize about what you do not.
>
>	This is what makes you a defective Scientist.  I don't mean to offend
>you, but if you continue to cling on to myths created in lieu of Science at
>the dawn of civilization, then you are doomed to be an inadequate Scientist.

I know it isn't logical to substitute religious belief for unknowns of
current formulas, just very difficult not to. I suppose it is a personal
as well as a professional challenge to be met. I will rise above any
situation I can to prove or disprove it ultimately. Just a matter of time.

>	Ok, reproduce god.  Write the equations so that I too may reproduce god
>in my laboratory.  If you fail to be able to do that, god is not real.

Again, are we to measure the unknown variables with tools that may not
apply? How do we know that God CAN be measured with our existant
technology? Just as the ancient people who believed myths of
gods/goddesses, we could just as well as scientists tell ourselves that
God does not exist only because we do not yet have the capability to prove
he does. We would have to know of God to be able to know how to accurately
measure or reproduce the proof of Him for others to witness. Sir Isaac
Newton knew well the prism could seperate focused light, but did he know
his work would be used to develop laser rods, for fiber optics, or for any
other methods? Hardly. If we tried to prove to Newton a laser would be
possible, much less fiber optic transfer after computers were explained,
would he say he rejects it simply because there is no way to prove
seperated light could be made coherent, combined with superheated gas, and
fired toward a target? Would he even believe us that the laser beam *would
not be visible*??? With his technology he would give us a most emphatic
no, call us fanatics, then tell us why, based upon his known results, why
it would not work. Because not even microlithography was invented, his
very realization of a computer might be rejected! We have to consider,
based upon history and man's folly, both scientifically as well as
religiously, that often a man is only capable of what he knows or has to
work with; nothing more.

>It's as
>simple as that, and as a Scientist you KNOW that I am correct!  There are
>millions of people who believe in paranormal phenomenon, but until one of them
>can reproduce such events in a controlled situation, it is not true Science.

That's true. There's all types of quacks who like to say 'ooh! I saw a
ghost'...but turns out it was a reflection of light from a mirror, or a
very cruel trick played by someone with the right idea of how to scare
someone.

>	Then why can't you simply say as I do, "we do not everything about the
>origins of the universe".

We do not know everything about the origins of the universe. Until we do,
I cannot rule out the existance of God. We would really need the right
tools for this job to rove it James. Just as Newton didn't have the tools
or the knowledge or the experience to build a working rubidium laser, we
ourselves do not yet have the tools to accurately rule out the fact our
entire universe is a controlled experiment created for a specific reason
by a scientist who does not conform to the laws of physics or laws of
matter/energy/space/time.

>We know a little, but we have a long way to go.  Why
>must everyone attribute that which they don't understand to mythical gods.  Man
>has been doing that for centuries, maybe it's just a quirk in your psyche, I
>don't know.  Maybe we're just lazy and always take the easy way out.  Gods are
>easy, SCIENCE IS HARD!  You don't have to work at god, you DO at Science.

I won't even say for a second that many people select God simply because
they want to believe only...and say it is true. Many of these people have
no basis or comprehension of the scientific method or what it entails. If
they did, many of them would be distracted or not even care for it as we
do (It's really sad too, because if they only knew what they were
missing!). People sometimes have a lead or idea to actively know of God.
Others simply use him as a crutch. The people who use him as a crutch are
usually the same people who hypocritically preach to others yet have not
lived by the examples they expect others to follow.

>	Nobody has been able to prove even slightly that there are divine
>origins to anything in the Universe.  Conversely, there is MUCH to disprove the
>Universe originated by the will of some deity.

It may have not been created by some deity at all. It may have been
created from the process of a group of deities, from one deity, or none at
all. We have yet to find out! :D

>	Let me raise one skeptical point here.  If the ancients, the people who
>invented the god(s) you pray to, were so smart about knowing god(s) exist, why
>were they so DUMB about everything else?  Hypothesis; they were dumb about
>EVERYTHING, including the existence of gods.  How's that for ya!  :o)

lol! Well granted, jews say they can heal flesh wounds if they eat the
excrement of White dogs, or create a potion of dung, dirt, plus sweet
honey after it is collected from the shadows of outdoor toilets. This is
BULLSH*T! hahaha, but, maybe it's because these people were so damn lost
that God could not turn them lose for the experiment yet. I mean, if the
rat starts to naw on himself rather than the cheese for food, you as the
scientist have to figure out what the hell is wrong with that crazy rat,
then figure out why he has no desire for the cheese. If the experiment
requires the rat to actually get to the cheese to perform the experiment
then the scientist must do what is necessary to see that those ends are
met and carried out properly.

>	Magnetism can be reproduced in the lab, I can show you how.  Gods can
>not be reproduced in the lab, you are unable to show me how.  Your parallels to
>a flower petal and a jelly bean are examples of BAD SCIENCE since they are
>irrelevant, and not at all related to magnetism.

It was more a figuretive comment than a scientific comparison. The flower
petal/jelly bean example was just to propose how impossible it would be to
use inadequate tools such as those to prove or disprove something else.

>
>> There is no logical equivalence between celestial and earthly
>> sciences, and this is why neither of us can accurately prove nor
>> disprove our theories using today's primitive methods alone.
>
>	In _EVERY_ case where gods were once believed to influence nature, and
>where Science has supplanted that myth with known, reproducible fact, there has
>NEVER been any god included in the equation, NEVER!  Since in the areas where
>we DO understand, there is no influence by gods, extrapolate that in the areas
>where we do NOT yet understand, there will be no influence by gods.  This my
>friend is why I consider myself to be a REAL Scientist.  I think logically.

Yes, you do. And it's refreshing to speak with someone who does! All too
often I have to deal with people who are not as intellectually capable to
comprehend this type of discussion at all.

We have not used a variable for God because our science has yet to evolve
to a level where it would make sense to do so. Unfortunately, the very
idea of God has been promoted or otherwise marketed by jews, christians,
and other religious mlm marketers to make a profit. People who do that are
bigots, personally offensive to me. If people who believe the existance of
God would stop being so trivial and illogical, there might be some active
work for a scientist such as myself to actually prove the existance of
God, and have those results be credible WITHOUT being used falsely by the
fanatics to say 'look! here's the proof! he did it!' even if my experiment
was not conclusive.

Right now, it feels like a lonely research topic. There are few if any
scientists who would work with me on this, due to the fact that it would
require a lifetime of work. Additionally, the flack from the bible
thumpers would condemn me for the very thought of proving God's existance.
They are comfortable with thier myths, never to know there is actual proof
for them beyond what they make for themselves. I want to be able to prove
it or disprove it for them, having them know for once there is a scientist
who does believe of God's existance while he works towards those ends.
Most scientists who would consider this topic would be atheists more than
likely, and would attempt this great project just to disprove it. But by
doing this, those same scientists carry their own personal bias with them
that may lead areas of the test to be closer to their own favor (it isn't
scientific, but several scientists have done this because they want
specific test results, or are personally attached to their theory). These
scientists may carry their idea of "No God" right to the lab with
them...thus making them just as defective of a scientist as I would be
were I to use or manipulate any part of the enviroment determin a yes or
no answer to God's existance.

>
>> I cannot force anyone to assimilate my knowledge or even attempt to
>> emulate the end results based upon my own unique experiences and
>> experiments. Even if it were possible, it would more than likely be
>> unethical. Faith is, unfortunately, the only real way for a person of
>> today's age to express their belief for or against God. It is hard,
>> for me especially, to be ok with this...as I am wanting to know the
>> answers to everything, and have devoted most of my life to reach these
>> goals.
>
>	You fall short of your own desires, thus reach out for the security of
>your god for answers to that which you are unable to comprehend, or unwilling
>to explore.  This is typical in humans, so don't feel bad.  This was how the
>gods were created in the first place, by protohumans.  :o)

Well, I hope I do get somewhere with it. :) I will have wasted a lot of
precious time if I don't. Good or bad, I will do all I can to find an
answer...even if it means I have to put my own beliefs on the shelf to do
so. It's that important to me for people to know.

>
>> But this is where we are at, this is why I did not quote you
>> scripture, and this is why any arguments on this subject is merely my
>> word against yours on a mental or physical level.
>
>	Reproduce god, or send him to me.  I've made that offer to christians
>for years, yet no god appears, no reproduction is made.  Gods are not real.

Well, most Christians are not scientists. Those who are usually won't
speak of it. They may or may not see things as I do, but I know that
because we do not have the tools or the knowledge to prove His existance,
they will not step up to the challenge.

Then again, some of the people who emailed you about Christianity are
really ridiculous with their ideals...trying to force conversion to their
beliefs without evidence for you to review. The Bible has been
manipulated, revised, edited, and is currently put out mostly by jewish
publishers who are famous for creative story writing.

>> I am a true scientist, as are you.
>
>	I wouldn't hire you.  ;o)

That's ok, I'm quite satisfied with picking strawberries for $1.25 an
hour. :oD LOL

>	I am a polytechnical research Scientist, involved in the areas of
>embedded application & design, robotics, biotech, transgenics, and in general
>research in the fields of physics, biology, and chemistry.

Awesome! :) What area would you say is your favorite?

Oh, btw, I have a question for you with regard to a borderline chemistry
experiment: Do you know where I may be able to acquire an instrument to
measure picoseconds accurately? If not, a cesium 133 or hydrogen based
atomic clock would do, so long as it is accurate to .6 nanoseconds has the
means to be connected to a PCI bus or serial port to display the results.
I looked for test equipment like this, several companies...none fo which
seemed to carry it. Tempustech.com is about the only commercial lead I've
had for the computer interface side of it (I could probably use an old ISA
card, remove the components, and use it as a daughterboard to build an
atomic clock interface onto, but I'd rather not redo the work if it's
already been done and is readily prepared).

>> I do computer science; my personal
>> fascinations are with number theory/information theory,
>> nanotechnology, data compression, and quantum computing.
>
>	You would like to play with my artificial intelligence engine then.  It
>has passed the Turing 1 and Turing 2 tests for artificial intelligence.

:) back-propogated neural network or other?

>It is
>based upon the model created by Dr. Richard Wallace.  It's pretty cool!  :o)
>Write to Frederick, he's experienced it and can tell you more.

Ok, I'd love to test it out sometime. :) I currently run QNX and FreeBSD
4.7 on my system. I have a wine emulator on BSD, but it's buggy. I have
freedos on my last partition, so if it's a dos prog., I can still run it
even if dosEmu won't. Is there a url I could download the binaries from or
sources to compile for either of these systems? :)


>
>> Thanks again
>> for your email, and I wish you a prosperous day.
>>
>>                                                            James W.

>	Same to you, only I will wish one more thing for you.  I wish you would
>be more critical and more skeptical in your thoughts.  I wish you would
>research farther than to attribute the unknown to "gods".  That's what I wish.

;) I cannot make any promises, but I will try to be more skeptical and
objective.

>Cheers!
>James

Have fun, and don't do anything I would do! :D lol. j/k

                                                            Take care...

                                                             James W.



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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:28:02 -0500
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: (  :


my friend...I have something quite interesting to tell you...


Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:39:42 -0500
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: im only 14...i turned 14 on the 6th day of the week.



my name is...I think im going to keep my name anonymous. You can not be a
antichrist, for there is only one anti Christ. he is the son of Satan.
When Satan made a child with a jackal he had a son, yet the son does not
have a body and is a spirit flowing through minds. and don't think this
is some myth that you have to be told to find out about. he is very true
and can come and leave in your head when he pleases. in fact I believe he
is present in my head this instant. his voice will be similar to yours
but slightly deeper and calmer. he talk with more brains then the average
person does and take notice to things. he helps notice the surrounding
better and helps you realize evil better. there is so much you know yet
need to know. it is only going to be 7 years before he begins to take
over. he will rule the world and bring complete domination to the earth
only 6 years after. he gains power through souls that are giving to him.
he constantly growing. he will carefully choose the one he will use to
take over. but when he finds him or her he will slowly convince them to
go into politics. he will guide the person and use every trick, skill,
propaganda, and technique to take over. he will deceive and concur. there
has been two other antichrist, napoleon, and Hitler, notice how they are
very similar. the third one was born and it wont belong before you see
him take action. I will right again with more information on the great
antichrist.


Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:55:50 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re: FW: quick question

Haydn wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:16 PM
> To: haydn@antichrist.net
> Subject: quick question
>
>     I don't have an incredibly interesting question like, "why does the
> bomb explosion say 'this is the power of Jesus'", but I would like to
> know why you do not have sources for all your premises in your argument.
>  If you want a strong argument, this must be done.  For instance, your
> claims on the main page, are quite clever, but have little means for a
> strong argument.  Please inform me of the location from which these
> excepts came.
>
> Sincerely,
> zugod

	Well here you go then.  :o)  Just use any search engine and put in the
keywords "roman piso new testament".  To make it easy, here's the URL.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=roman+piso+
new+testament

	There, you have your source, hundreds of websites that confirm what I
have said.  I hope I haven't shattered your faith, but truth be said, I have
done one of two things, converted you to atheism, or confirmed you are stupid,
because only the stupid would ascribe to a religion based on a control meme.

James

Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:38:42 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re: The Greater Scientist...

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, James W wrote:
>
> lol, thanks. :) Most people I'm sure get frustrated with the answers
> and bow out quickly. It doesn't look good for them either, especially
> if they were really set to prove their point. :P I suppose it shows
> the level to how objective they are to logic. Regardless, I've enjoyed
> our correspondance as you have sound logic, and a sense of humor to
> boot. :)

	As my friend Fred (Fourth Apostle) says, lately I can be such an ass!
I think his intolerance is rubbing off on me, he seems to have knack for that.

> True. It is difficult, as a a person who believes God to completely
> seperate one area from the other. There are times it does prevent me
> from advancement toward certain areas I really wanted to pursue. I
> suppose it only makes it more of a challenge for me.

	You have a choice, Science or mysticism, you can't have it both ways.
Trying will make you both a poor Scientist as well as a poor mystic!  Given
that you can't prove mysticism "in a court of law" but you can Science, I
propose that Science is the truth, and all forms of shamenry are lies.

> However, I won't
> say my efficiency does not suffer because of my beliefs sometimes.

	If you believe gods effect natural occurrences, you are an ineffective
Scientist.  God is not part of any equation, except in the minds of the stupid.

> MOST times, I do not put religious connotations of any sort toward
> active works of science. With creation and origin, I have a tendency
> to do so because of the big question mark that hangs above it still.

	I reiterate, doctors laughed when it was proposed that tiny little
"bugs" could make a BIG MAN sick!  Yet this is true, and today we don't laugh.
Just live with the unknowns, as I do.  Just accept that we know what we have
learned, and that we have SO MUCH more to learn!  Never attribute to gods that
which is not yet understood fully, that is just BAD SCIENCE!

> >     There you go again, attributing that which you are unable to
> >comprehend, or unwilling to explore, to mythical gods!
>
> It's difficult, at least for me, as I am torn between my love for
> science, and my love for God. My entire life I was brought up to know
> both as existant truths. Does this seem conflicting? Very! But I'm
> sure by the time my body expires, and my work is completed as best I
> could do it, I will have a very definitive yes or no answer.

	There is nothing to indicate the existence of gods.  If you are torn
between your love of science and you crutch (religion), please give one of them
up.  Either become a 100% worthless theist, or a 100% valuable Scientist, take
your pick, because you can't just sit on the fence, you need to move in one
direction or the other.  As you stand, you are completely incapacitated.

> >     If there was a god, and he truly loved us, why would he create disease
> >germs, disease viruses (aids, smallpox, polio) which has harmed MANY!  Why
> >would god create intestinal worms (parasites)?
>
> My belief on this is, that if our enviroment is a controlled
> experiment for beings we cannot yet see or prove, illness + despair
> may be behavior control variables to use for analysis.

	That's almost as simplistic as "god made everything".  Look to
evolution for your answer.  We kill and eat chickens, pigs, or cattle.  We kill
and eat plants.  Bacteria kills and eats US!  That's just how life works!

> This adds many
> more unknowns to the existing questions previously unanswered for the
> purpose of life itself.

	Life has no purpose, it just is.  If you want a purpose in life, it's
up to you to find one (for yourself).  As I say in my treatise, the meaning to
life is the same as the meaning of a glass of water.  There IS no meaning!

> People still cannot prove that a big bang
> occured, and if it did, who may have heard it? (bang! lol).

	Sound does not propagate through space.  Strong evidence suggests that
the big bang did occur, just as before man invented the electron microscope,
strong evidence suggested the construct of atoms, and those who devised those
constructs were nearly 100% accurate.  Without eyes, they were able to see!

> Though
> based more upon science we have proven, science we know to be
> true...even Darwinism much less evolution itself does not explain
> exactly how, and why, we were created.

	It explains how we came to be.  We were NOT created, and there is no
reason WHY we are here, we just are!

> It presents objective ideas,
> good stuff for thesis statements even...but like any belief it does
> not answer everything logically.

	Yes, it does.  You need to study evolution, it's very logical.

> One of the questions I have often wondered is where do the quarks come
> from that make up atoms?

	They are matter, they come from energy, coalesced energy.  That's all
we know so far, I wish I had more to offer, but we are not yet learned enough.

> The results released from MIT upon this
> subject didn't seem to be carried further...either their funding was
> cut, or some other reason existed as to why they did not pursue it.

	They went as far as their hardware would allow.  They need a bigger
supercollider to go any farther, and that will take billions of dollars.

> Have you heard any more after the late 70's/early 80's on their
> experiments with fractional pieces of atoms? How small can structures
> be?

	We don't yet know, but theoretically, infinite.

> What is the finite level of what seems to be infinite scaled
> structures? So many questions to answer...just makes me itch to know
> them now.

	You _can_ know much, but you will never know all.  Not knowing
frustrates even me, but I'm learning to live with it.  But as with you, it's
hard for me, very hard to not know.  I want to know everything, but that is an
impracticality, one that we can only slowly overcome.

> Is that not the most frustrating thing? To know there is an answer but
> not have it yet???

	Totally frustrating.  However, instead of appeasing myself with lies, I
accept the absence of answers instead.  That makes me a GOOD Scientist.

> >My measured IQ is 232 (Cattell) so there
> >is very little that seems (or is) incomprehensible to me.
>
> Lol. Well, I have taken several IQ tests just to see how I would fare.
> All of them seemed to have different biases they were particular to;
> either abstract mathematics, mechanical reasoning, algebraic logic,
> verbal skills, or memory questions are just a few of a myriad of known
> areas they test on. Test scores for me, varied greatly. Of the 8 tests
> I had tried, all of them were either very high, or very low. None of
> them seemed to be average to any degree. One test for example, had a
> maximum of 180 pts. Another, a maximum of 327 pts. Yet another still
> had a max. of 516. I scored nearly 168 out of 180 with the first test.
> Was quite pleased. Scored 236 out of 327 with the second. Not pleased.
> Scored 486 out of 516 on the third. With the fourth, which only had
> 100 pts. maximum, I only scored 51! I was like WTF! I suppose the only
> real way to measure IQ tests correctly would be to give several of
> them, then provide the average of all test scores combined to give a
> more reliable figure.

	My Stanford-Binet score is 188 (four points below the smartest man in
the United States).  The Cattell test is the only one accepted for higher
intelligence quotients.  I'm not sure what tests you are ascribing to above.

> >     Did you experience a self-induced hypnotic event, invoked at a period
> >of great stress in your life, or perhaps a misfiring in your brain
> >(schizotypal event) which is the basis for your religious beLIEfs?
>
> If I were able to tell you honestly, if this was the case, then I
> would not waste anyone's time presenting what I believe. :D

	Charley Manson really did believe god was telling him to kill people
(the voice in his head).  Moses (in the bible) heard voices in his head telling
him to kill people and rape virgin girls.  He too was obviously schizophrenic.

	If you want my assessment, without having the full facts, I'd say you
probably had a schizoid or schizotypal event.  It wasn't real, only imagined.

> >When you "drop acid" and
> >"see god" is that really god or just a hallucination?  When you have a
> >spontaneous hallucination, caused by disease or stress, is that somehow real?
>
> That's a fair question. I really feel there's a lot of people who play
> with drugs who shouldn't so they may 'experience God'. This is totally
> different from my own experiences. I have, since I was a young child,
> rejected drugs, alchohol, and most other known elements which were
> clearly harmful to my well being.

	If you had experienced LSD, perhaps you wouldn't mistake a schizotypal
event with reality.  :o)  Drugs _can_ be highly enlightening!

> I've given up television and movies
> entirely too, as my work is too important to be distracted by nonsense
> like that.

	I haven't.  I enjoy watching a movie now and again.  :o)

> It is safe to say that those people who do use drugs to see
> things, etc. do actually believe what they've seen. For me it wasn't
> drug related. I cannot prove or disprove it was a neuron misfire
> either.

	Everything suggests that this was true.  A schizotypal event.  If they
happen often, and "god goes away" with treatment using antipsychotic drugs,
then they were all just misfirings in the brain, purely a misinterpretation.

> Today's provisions for proof are crude. Look how hard it is to
> prove the existance of or recreate just one unit of anti-matter! How
> much harder it is to try and prove the unknown...

	It is hard to make anti-matter.  Hard, but not impossible.  Detecting
gods has been absolutely impossible.  Supposition, gods must not exist.

> >     Here on antichrist dot net, my friend David, an untreated schizophrenic,
> >used to talk about his special interpretations of the bible.  It was unique,
> >but not at all unlike the interpretations of OTHER schizophrenics.  :o)
>
> lol..:P I know, there are far too many insane people who use religion
> as a crutch simply because they cannot or will not understand that as
> strongly as they believe there is a God to be proven, there is a
> scientist willing to disprove their belief. This is something most
> religious people cannot handle due to their emotion over logic, and
> probably one possible reason people do not wish to write further on
> the subject.

	Most schizophrenics write huge religious tutorials.  Example is my
friend David's last thesis.  http://www.antichrist.net/david.html  As real as
all this was to him, it is unreal to the rest of us, but if we had going on in
OUR minds what went on in his, probably we'd be right in there with him.

> >     As a Scientist, I don't have beLIEfs, I have KNOWLEDGE.  I don't say "I
> >believe", I either say "I know" or "I do not know".  Anything else, and I am
> >not a Scientist, I am a shamen.
>
> Or a Rabbi? LMFAO...Christians are not always with it, a lot of them
> are hypocrates too. But if not for the Jews Christianity would not
> exist.

	Christianity was invented to counter judaism, too many slaves were
becoming jews, and once a jew, refused to be slaves anymore, even upon severe
torture.  Ergo, christianity was the only solution, a strap-on "new testament"
to supplant the old, and thwart the indoctrination by the jews.

> I see them as a bigger threat than Christians because popular
> Christianity is based upon Judiastic stories to usher their control of
> people who will believe them.

	Then you do understand the reason christianity and jesus was invented.

> >     This is what makes you a defective Scientist.  I don't mean to offend
> >you, but if you continue to cling on to myths created in lieu of Science at the
> >dawn of civilization, then you are doomed to be an inadequate Scientist.
>
> I know it isn't logical to substitute religious belief for unknowns of
> current formulas, just very difficult not to. I suppose it is a
> personal as well as a professional challenge to be met. I will rise
> above any situation I can to prove or disprove it ultimately. Just a
> matter of time.

	You are weak.  Exercise your mind and become strong, like me.  :o)

> >     Ok, reproduce god.  Write the equations so that I too may reproduce god
> >in my laboratory.  If you fail to be able to do that, god is not real.
>
> Again, are we to measure the unknown variables with tools that may not
> apply? How do we know that God CAN be measured with our existant
> technology?

	How do we now know the "ether" does not exist (by your logic)?  Again I
stress, you are being a bad Scientist.  Stoppit!  :o)  People like you caused
the polywater scare of the 1950's.  Bad Science is DEstructive!

> Just as the ancient people who believed myths of
> gods/goddesses, we could just as well as scientists tell ourselves
> that God does not exist only because we do not yet have the capability
> to prove he does. We would have to know of God to be able to know how
> to accurately measure or reproduce the proof of Him for others to
> witness.

	As stated above, we didn't have the means to visualize the atom, yet we
were able to fathom the construct WAY before we were technologically advanced
enough to verify this theory.  Applied to theology, Science disproves gods.
Since the period where mankind has recorded history, there have been over five
thousand different gods, created by even more different civilizations all over
the world.  Only one or two are accepted as true today, yet I go farther and
use logic to suggest that they are all false.  Can't you see that logic?

> Sir Isaac Newton knew well the prism could seperate focused
> light, but did he know his work would be used to develop laser rods,
> for fiber optics, or for any other methods? Hardly. If we tried to
> prove to Newton a laser would be possible, much less fiber optic
> transfer after computers were explained, would he say he rejects it
> simply because there is no way to prove seperated light could be made
> coherent, combined with superheated gas, and fired toward a target?

	How do you know what Newton would or would not accept?  Were I
describing excited atoms, and the resultant stimulated photonic emissions and
their properties, he'd probably accept it for experimentation.

> Would he even believe us that the laser beam *would not be visible*???
> With his technology he would give us a most emphatic no, call us
> fanatics, then tell us why, based upon his known results, why it would
> not work.

	Every indication shows Newton was a good Scientist (like me).  Prove
your point, and he would accept it.  Invisible IR radiation can be shown with a
thermometer, something they did have back then.  ;o)  Two thermometers side by
side, an IR laser on one, and not on the other would show the "invisible".

> Because not even microlithography was invented, his very
> realization of a computer might be rejected! We have to consider,
> based upon history and man's folly, both scientifically as well as
> religiously, that often a man is only capable of what he knows or has
> to work with; nothing more.

	You are starting to sound more and more to me like a well read theist,
nothing you say suggests the mind set of a true Scientist.

> >It's as
> >simple as that, and as a Scientist you KNOW that I am correct!  There are
> >millions of people who believe in paranormal phenomenon, but until one of them
> >can reproduce such events in a controlled situation, it is not true Science.
>
> That's true. There's all types of quacks who like to say 'ooh! I saw a
> ghost'...but turns out it was a reflection of light from a mirror, or
> a very cruel trick played by someone with the right idea of how to
> scare someone.

	Same is true of gods (aka holy ghosts) my friend.

> >     Then why can't you simply say as I do, "we do not everything about the
> >origins of the universe".
>
> We do not know everything about the origins of the universe. Until we
> do, I cannot rule out the existance of God.

	We do not know everything about medicine, until we do, I can not rule
out the existence of voodoo spirits, and the need for chants and spells.
That's roughly what you just said, twisted to a way to make you laugh.  Laugh
at your own god, because it's JUST as not real as voodoo spirits!

> We would really need the
> right tools for this job to rove it James. Just as Newton didn't have
> the tools or the knowledge or the experience to build a working
> rubidium laser, we ourselves do not yet have the tools to accurately
> rule out the fact our entire universe is a controlled experiment
> created for a specific reason by a scientist who does not conform to
> the laws of physics or laws of matter/energy/space/time.

	I am not aware of, nor could I find reference to a "rubidium" laser,
did you mean neodymium?  Rubidium is used in laser filters however.

	Now to counter your claims, yes we do now have the tools to create the
tools to prove or disprove gods.  We have done it.  Gods are not real!  Gods
were invented at the dawn of civilization by drooling backward fools, yet we
believe those stories as truth, even to this day, why?  Why did god(s) only
appear to those people to prove themselves, and fail to appear today?
Summation, they were untreated schizophrenics, and gods are a lie.

> >Maybe we're just lazy and always take the easy way out.  Gods are
> >easy, SCIENCE IS HARD!  You don't have to work at god, you DO at Science.
>
> I won't even say for a second that many people select God simply
> because they want to believe only...and say it is true. Many of these
> people have no basis or comprehension of the scientific method or what
> it entails. If they did, many of them would be distracted or not even
> care for it as we do (It's really sad too, because if they only knew
> what they were missing!). People sometimes have a lead or idea to
> actively know of God. Others simply use him as a crutch. The people
> who use him as a crutch are usually the same people who hypocritically
> preach to others yet have not lived by the examples they expect others
> to follow.

	Good reasons for you to become an atheist!  ;o)

> >     Nobody has been able to prove even slightly that there are divine
> >origins to anything in the Universe.  Conversely, there is MUCH to disprove the
> >Universe originated by the will of some deity.
>
> It may have not been created by some deity at all. It may have been
> created from the process of a group of deities, from one deity, or
> none at all. We have yet to find out! :D

	None at all seems like the most likely scenario.  There is much to
indicate gods are not real, nothing to indicate that gods ARE real.

> >     Let me raise one skeptical point here.  If the ancients, the people who
> >invented the god(s) you pray to, were so smart about knowing god(s) exist, why
> >were they so DUMB about everything else?  Hypothesis; they were dumb about
> >EVERYTHING, including the existence of gods.  How's that for ya!  :o)
>
> lol! Well granted, jews say they can heal flesh wounds if they eat the
> excrement of White dogs, or create a potion of dung, dirt, plus sweet
> honey after it is collected from the shadows of outdoor toilets.

	If you eat the dung of white dogs that had eaten a lot of antibiotics,
you betcha!  This jewish example is bad medicine, but it kinda hints to what
was to come, the use of actual alkaloids and salts to treat illness (medicine).

	As you can see, the jews control nearly 100% of what we see and what we
know, so in the end, they do dominate over us, even getting us to fight their
wars for them in the middle east.  I'd say that judiasm is a far greater threat
to the free White man than christianity or any other religion.

> This
> is BULLS*IT! hahaha, but, maybe it's because these people were so damn
> lost that God could not turn them lose for the experiment yet. I mean,
> if the rat starts to naw on himself rather than the cheese for food,
> you as the scientist have to figure out what the hell is wrong with
> that crazy rat, then figure out why he has no desire for the cheese.
> If the experiment requires the rat to actually get to the cheese to
> perform the experiment then the scientist must do what is necessary to
> see that those ends are met and carried out properly.

	No you DO NOT!  You emphatically DO NOT!  You describe BAD SCIENCE!
Stoppit!  :o(  What you do is set up 50 or 100 experiments, if one or two chew
off their own limbs, they are removed from the equation, and we go with the
outcome of the majority of the experiments.  If one person dies taking an
experimental drug, and 1000 do not, they still license the use of that drug!
Man, you sure are a theist first, and a logical thinker last, that's for sure.

> >     Magnetism can be reproduced in the lab, I can show you how.  Gods can
> >not be reproduced in the lab, you are unable to show me how.  Your parallels to
> >a flower petal and a jelly bean are examples of BAD SCIENCE since they are
> >irrelevant, and not at all related to magnetism.
>
> It was more a figuretive comment than a scientific comparison. The
> flower petal/jelly bean example was just to propose how impossible it
> would be to use inadequate tools such as those to prove or disprove
> something else.

	Geez man, GET THE RIGHT TOOLS OR MAKE THEM!  Crap!  You keep arguing
circular logic, try to focus, man!  Put down the crack pipe and focus!  ;o)

> >     In _EVERY_ case where gods were once believed to influence nature, and
> >where Science has supplanted that myth with known, reproducible fact, there has
> >NEVER been any god included in the equation, NEVER!  Since in the areas where
> >we DO understand, there is no influence by gods, extrapolate that in the areas
> >where we do NOT yet understand, there will be no influence by gods.  This my
> >friend is why I consider myself to be a REAL Scientist.  I think logically.
>
> Yes, you do. And it's refreshing to speak with someone who does!

	I wish I could say the same for you.  I'm frustrated talking to you
because you travel in a circle, using circular logic, you fail to comprehend
what I say, and I'm forced to repeat it.  Perhaps that's why I spend so much
time talking with Frederick (the Fourth Apostle).  He and I groove, we feel
energized after our discussions.  I find you on the other hand, frustrating.

> All
> too often I have to deal with people who are not as intellectually
> capable to comprehend this type of discussion at all.

	Yourself included I'm sorry to say.  ;o)

> We have not used a variable for God because our science has yet to
> evolve to a level where it would make sense to do so. Unfortunately,
> the very idea of God has been promoted or otherwise marketed by jews,
> christians, and other religious mlm marketers to make a profit. People
> who do that are bigots, personally offensive to me. If people who
> believe the existance of God would stop being so trivial and
> illogical, there might be some active work for a scientist such as
> myself to actually prove the existance of God, and have those results
> be credible WITHOUT being used falsely by the fanatics to say 'look!
> here's the proof! he did it!' even if my experiment was not
> conclusive.

	Many before you have tried, I invite you to prove god.  If you prove
it, and I am able to reproduce your results, then I too will believe in god.
There you go, want me to believe in god?  Prove it!

> Right now, it feels like a lonely research topic. There are few if any
> scientists who would work with me on this, due to the fact that it
> would require a lifetime of work.

	A lifetime of frustration you mean.  ;o)

> Additionally, the flack from the
> bible thumpers would condemn me for the very thought of proving God's
> existance. They are comfortable with thier myths, never to know there
> is actual proof for them beyond what they make for themselves. I want
> to be able to prove it or disprove it for them, having them know for
> once there is a scientist who does believe of God's existance while he
> works towards those ends.

	Every indication suggests that gods do not exist.  Deal with it.  You
know I'm right, in your heart you KNOW I'm right, otherwise you're mind is far
too weak to take on such a task.  Man invented god(s) in HIS own image, because
man is weak, and scared, and needs comfort.  We tell sick people they are going
to be OK even when we know they are dying, why?  Because we are HUMAN!

> Most scientists who would consider this
> topic would be atheists more than likely, and would attempt this great
> project just to disprove it. But by doing this, those same scientists
> carry their own personal bias with them that may lead areas of the
> test to be closer to their own favor (it isn't scientific, but several
> scientists have done this because they want specific test results, or
> are personally attached to their theory).

	Like the cold fusion fraud, they are quickly, and thoroughly exposed.

> These scientists may carry
> their idea of "No God" right to the lab with them...thus making them
> just as defective of a scientist as I would be were I to use or
> manipulate any part of the enviroment determin a yes or no answer to
> God's existance.

	Scientists operate from fact.  Many times I've had to accept things I
didn't want to accept after repeated experimentation.  It's a part of life.

> >     You fall short of your own desires, thus reach out for the security of
> >your god for answers to that which you are unable to comprehend, or unwilling
> >to explore.  This is typical in humans, so don't feel bad.  This was how the
> >gods were created in the first place, by protohumans.  :o)
>
> Well, I hope I do get somewhere with it. :) I will have wasted a lot
> of precious time if I don't. Good or bad, I will do all I can to find
> an answer...even if it means I have to put my own beliefs on the shelf
> to do so. It's that important to me for people to know.

	Then spend your time more wisely, studying REAL Science.  :o)

> >     Reproduce god, or send him to me.  I've made that offer to christians
> >for years, yet no god appears, no reproduction is made.  Gods are not real.
>
> Well, most Christians are not scientists. Those who are usually won't
> speak of it. They may or may not see things as I do, but I know that
> because we do not have the tools or the knowledge to prove His
> existance, they will not step up to the challenge.

	I don't know what schizoid event you experienced that you derive your
desires from, but perhaps you should experiment inside your own mind with
hallucinogenic drugs, see if you can reproduce the experience that caused your
belief in gods.  Then counter that experience with antipsychotic drugs.  Prove
to yourself gods are merely wishful thinking inside the minds of man.

> Then again, some of the people who emailed you about Christianity are
> really ridiculous with their ideals...trying to force conversion to
> their beliefs without evidence for you to review. The Bible has been
> manipulated, revised, edited, and is currently put out mostly by
> jewish publishers who are famous for creative story writing.

	Yeah, like how the jewish controlled media never tell about how South
Africa was a first world nation (where heart transplantation was first
performed) but only under Apartheid, and only under White rule.  Today under
black rule, rape is legal, murder is tolerated, and the nation has dropped to
third world status.  The jews did not report when the negroes took power, they
killed all the white farmers, and are now starving.  They don't report how
under Mandella, South Africa can no longer be trusted to pay debts, thus
Mastercard and Visa are NOT accepted there anymore.  From a thriving First
World nation, to third world status in just SEVEN YEARS under black rule!

	This same story can apply to Rhodesia (now black ruled Zimbabwe) only
the negroes in Zimbabwe reject the US food donations because we have
"poisonous" food, since we genetically modify OUR food.  So now that Zimbabwe
has killed all their White farmers, and rejected our donations of food, they
can now all die, and I hope they die arduously, nobody deserves it more.

> >> I am a true scientist, as are you.
> >
> >     I wouldn't hire you.  ;o)
>
> That's ok, I'm quite satisfied with picking strawberries for $1.25 an
> hour. :oD LOL

	Sounds like a job for you.  ;o)  You do show qualifications.  :o)

> >     I am a polytechnical research Scientist, involved in the areas of
> >embedded application & design, robotics, biotech, transgenics, and in general
> >research in the fields of physics, biology, and chemistry.
>
> Awesome! :) What area would you say is your favorite?

	All aspects of Science intrigue me, but I am most fond of physical
sciences (physics).

> Oh, btw, I have a question for you with regard to a borderline
> chemistry experiment: Do you know where I may be able to acquire an
> instrument to measure picoseconds accurately? If not, a cesium 133 or
> hydrogen based atomic clock would do, so long as it is accurate to .6
> nanoseconds has the means to be connected to a PCI bus or serial port
> to display the results. I looked for test equipment like this, several
> companies...none fo which seemed to carry it. Tempustech.com is about
> the only commercial lead I've had for the computer interface side of
> it (I could probably use an old ISA card, remove the components, and
> use it as a daughterboard to build an atomic clock interface onto, but
> I'd rather not redo the work if it's already been done and is readily
> prepared).

	http://www.nist.gov should be able to help you out there, but not
without substantial costs.  Do you have plenty of money?

> >     You would like to play with my artificial intelligence engine then.  It
> >has passed the Turing 1 and Turing 2 tests for artificial intelligence.
>
> :) back-propogated neural network or other?

	It's based upon the Case Based Reasoning logical engine created by Dr.
Richard Wallace.  It is one of the more interesting AI programs you'll ever see.

> >Write to Frederick, he's experienced it and can tell you more.
>
> Ok, I'd love to test it out sometime. :) I currently run QNX and
> FreeBSD 4.7 on my system. I have a wine emulator on BSD, but it's
> buggy. I have freedos on my last partition, so if it's a dos prog., I
> can still run it even if dosEmu won't. Is there a url I could download
> the binaries from or sources to compile for either of these systems? :)

	I can offer you an ELF binary, I run Red Hat linux myself, and this AI
was compiled as an ELF binary.  The one binary is all inclusive, no library
files are needed.  Let me know if you want it.  :o)  The version that runs on
IRC (what Frederick played with) is different, not just one single binary.

> >> Thanks again
> >> for your email, and I wish you a prosperous day.
> >
> >     Same to you, only I will wish one more thing for you.  I wish you would
> >be more critical and more skeptical in your thoughts.  I wish you would
> >research farther than to attribute the unknown to "gods".  That's what I wish.
>
> ;) I cannot make any promises, but I will try to be more skeptical and
> objective.

	I sure hope so.  :o)  However, since you keep going in circles, I will
not reply to your next letter unless you break and go in a new direction,
either theist or atheist.  If you sit the fence, I will not reply again.

Cheers!
James

Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:37:43 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: hey

hey man i love your site...im 14 and i just recently became an atheist
about a year ago...and after seeing ur replies and comments...it makes
even more since...if it cant be proven to be true...why bother? but im
having a hard time telling my parents and family because they are all
f*ckin god/jesus freaks...and they would make me talk to a priest which id
hate to do...thats the last thing i wanna be around...my dads trying to
get the whole family to go to church and im not willing to...please
help...

thanks.....                                sincerely
                                             randy

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:45:32 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: New direction // reply

>As my friend Fred (Fourth Apostle) says, lately I can be such an ass!
>I think his intolerance is rubbing off on me, he seems to have knack for
>that.

lol...I use to be a tolerable person, and likewise tolerable of others.
Lately, it would be safe to say I am neither.

>You have a choice, Science or mysticism, you can't have it both ways.
>Trying will make you both a poor Scientist as well as a poor mystic!
>Given that you can't prove mysticism "in a court of law" but you can
>Science, I propose that Science is the truth, and all forms of shamenry
>are lies.

Given this propostition, plus the end quotation to the previous email:
>I sure hope so.  :o)  However, since you keep going in circles, I will
>not reply to your next letter unless you break and go in a new
>direction, either theist or atheist.  If you sit the fence, I will not
>reply again.

As well as...

>No you DO NOT!  You emphatically DO NOT!  You describe BAD SCIENCE!
>I wish I could say the same for you.  I'm frustrated talking to you
>because you travel in a circle, using circular logic, you fail to
>comprehend what I say, and I'm forced to repeat it.  Perhaps that's why
>I spend so much time talking with Frederick (the Fourth Apostle).  He
>and I groove, we feel energized after our discussions.  I find you on
>the other hand, frustrating.

I apologize. I don't like to unnecessarily frustrate a fellow scientist.
It is unbecoming, and not what I wish to do. :o(

I will now prove to you I am every bit as good of a scientist as I am a
theist, and likewise respectable. I will stand by my statement as fact,
and prove it. I stated with my first email that I only wanted to know why
you felt the way you did, and you provided me that readily without
hesitation.

Even before the last email was written, I saw us being dragged toward the
whirlpool of theistic debate vs science with every successive comment.
Debate was not intended, but unfortunately it always comes about. I have
one last question...one question with religious regard alone. One that
requires no debate or expansion, but merely a yes or no answer. After this
question, out of respect, I will not cause irritation with further
questions related to religion unless asked.

>Scientists operate from fact.  Many times I've had to accept things I
>didn't want to accept after repeated experimentation.  It's a part of
>life.


Last question:
Ok, so if it were proven that there is a God, would you believe it? If so,
how would it alter the state of your current affairs and how you live
life?

Ok, that's it. Now for the science! :)

>> One of the questions I have often wondered is where do the quarks come
>>from that make up atoms?

>They are matter, they come from energy, coalesced energy.  That's all
>we know so far, I wish I had more to offer, but we are not yet learned
>enough.

It seems the content currently published with regard to this leaves much
to be desired. I have heard of even smaller subatomic particles, called
strings, yet they do not exist unless completely unified. The texts I
found for this were more theory than fact. The pages seemed to be more
theory than proof of its existance.

>They went as far as their hardware would allow.  They need a
>bigger
>supercollider to go any farther, and that will take billions of
>dollars.

Here's a novell idea: perhaps MIT could use part of the 14 billion we
recently gave to Israel for their war against Muslims. Bush is a bastard.
:(

>> Have you heard any more after the late 70's/early 80's on their
>> experiments with fractional pieces of atoms? How small can structures
>> be?
>	We don't yet know, but theoretically, infinite.

Infinite sounds good to me. :) Storage devices will get a lot more fun
when 25 Terrabyte hard drives are commercially avail. ;) One of my main
reasons for studying subatomic particles is for their app. to further data
storage/transmisson, and also for the possibility of molecular computing
with neural networks.

>> Is that not the most frustrating thing? To know there is an answer >>but
>>not have it yet???
>Totally frustrating.  However, instead of appeasing myself with lies,I
>accept the absence of answers instead.  That makes me a GOOD Scientist.

I wouldn't hire you. ;) (payback's a bitch. lol j/k)

>My Stanford-Binet score is 188 (four points below the smartest man in
>the United States).

That's ok, someday you'll beat my four point advantage! :D haha

>The Cattell test is the only one accepted for
>higher intelligence
>quotients.  I'm not sure what tests you are
>ascribing to above.

One of the tests I had was from the University of Guam while I lived
overseas. Another, from Kent State Univ. while I lived at Ohio...the rest
from numerous sources, from the web to ones sponsored by libraries (my
local hangouts)...all of which were offered to me freely. I did them just
to see how accurate they were. I'll have to try the Cattell test sometime.

>It is hard to make anti-matter.  Hard, but not impossible.

I've always wanted to launch a huge atom smasher to space, remotely start
the process of anti-matter creation, then launch it toward a black hole
before the state of anti-matter ceased to exist. Black holes seem like
obstacles to act as a threat to space travel. If the atom smasher creates
sufficient anti-matter units, just before it is launched toward its
target, we know the black whole will tear the atom smasher apart with its
forces...however...when the anti-matter collides with the matter of the
black hole, will it implode upon itself creating neutral space?...

>I am not aware of, nor could I find reference to a "rubidium" laser,
>did you mean neodymium?  Rubidium is used in laser filters however.

It's often called the Ruby Laser, as it uses a rubidium rod for
construction. I call it by its proper name out of good habit.
Searches for it online are best conducted with the keyword ruby laser, as
rubidium laser usually returns results only related to spectral filters.

http://digilander.libero.it/westaustralia/rubylaser/ Homebuilt Ruby laser.
http://www.advanceddermatologypc.com/qswitched.htm Q-Switched Rubidium
Laser used for dermatology.

>As you can see, the jews control nearly 100% of what we see and what we
>know, so in the end, they do dominate over us, even getting us to fight
>their wars for them in the middle east.  I'd say that judiasm is a far
>greater threat to the free White man than christianity or any other
>religion.

That I 100% agree with you on. It is high time they fight their own wars,
and get their sickness out of our societies. It's a small wonder why they
have been kicked out of every country. From their *un*holy talmud (you
have to read the Babylonian Talmud it is the MOST unbelieveable bullsh*t I
have ever seen) to their perpetuated climax for racewars, they have got to
go. Hitler had the right idea...

Nothin' says luv'n like a jew in the oven... -Pillsbury

>Yeah, like how the jewish controlled media never tell about how South
>Africa was a first world nation (where heart transplantation was first
>performed) but only under Apartheid, and only under White rule.  Today
>under black rule, rape is legal, murder is tolerated, and the nation has
>dropped to third world status.  The jews did not report when the negroes
>took power, they killed all the white farmers, and are now starving.
>They don't report how under Mandella, South Africa can no longer be
>trusted to pay debts, thus Mastercard and Visa are NOT accepted there
>anymore.  From a thriving First World nation, to third world status in
>just SEVEN YEARS under black rule!

That is so true. It proves that they are not equal to us. Even nature
proves that no species are equal, or there would be no food chain...all
life would die. The jewish media control is sickening. It's one of the
many reasons I don't watch television, aka: the electric jew, outside of
my the time requirements for my work. Every time my girlfriend has the
news on, they are always displaying 'acts of terror' made by men with
turbins...one of their earlier 'terror' shots a friend captured with their
tv tuner card and sent to me. I sized the image to 500%, only to see the
star of edavid being worn around the 'muslim' terrorist's neck. Anyone
with an ounce of insight to counter-intelligent already knew that 9/11 was
a Mossad attack, carefully coordinated to look real by the United States
Government. It would surely explain the mossad agents cheering outside of
the collapsed WTC sites as the bombs went off, and why 'information about
the mossad agents was classified' to the press both before and after their
expedient release to israel. Ironically enough, the jews call others
'anti-semites', yet they kill muslims...their own semetic brothers. This
makes them the #1 anti-semites. Ironically, the news does NOT report all
the jews who killed muslims, raped mothers, or blew away children throwing
stones with US manufactured anti-tank rifles. Jews deny any connections to
slave trade, but when they embarked upon it to offer to White plantation
owners alternatives to White slaves/lower class citizens, they came across
a valuable natural resource...and named it jewelry...the jewish art of
fashion. Outside of slave trade and child prostitution, JEWelry became one
of their largest and most prosperous rackets, and still is.

>This same story can apply to Rhodesia (now black ruled Zimbabwe) only
>the negroes in Zimbabwe reject the US food donations because we have
>"poisonous" food, since we genetically modify OUR food.

I have heard reports from Russia, Germany, and Norway that chicken from
california have a strange virii they cannot get rid of. Russia has banned
chicken imports from California, or any redistributed poltry from the US
if it has come from California originally. Source: pravada.ru.

>So now that Zimbabwe has killed all their White farmers, and rejected our
>donations of food, they can now all die, and I hope they die arduously,
>nobody deserves it more.

True, I'm tired of the donations they get anyway...when they brought this
upon themselves. It is NOT our responsibility to help them, it never was.
Yet, the biggest theif and liar to ever get rich quick, William H. Gates
III...does sh*t like this with money that could help our schools, and
White people advance.

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/GlobalHealth/ReproductiveChildHealth/
announcements/announce-020925.htm

>http://www.nist.gov should be able to help you out there, but not
>without substantial costs.  Do you have plenty of money?

Less than 1m. I'm sure I can get proper funding if I need more, though. If
I'm lucky there will be a measurement device sufficient for the task for a
few hundred thousand out there somewhere...I'll check out NIST. Thanks. :)

>I can offer you an ELF binary, I run Red Hat linux myself, and this AI
>was compiled as an ELF binary.  The one binary is all inclusive, no
>library files are needed.  Let me know if you want it.  :o)  The
>version that runs on IRC (what Frederick played with) is different,
>not just one single binary.

Sure, that would be great. I want it. :D I have an iso of red hat
somewhere with this mess of discs. I'll set it up to run your program. :)

>Cheers!
>James

                                                            Take care,
                                                              James

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 00:46:39 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: No subject necessary, really.

Rather than rant aimlessly about the things you have
on your website, I'll get quickly to the point.

Besides, I would absolutely hate to be assaulted by
your rapier-like wit.

I am a Christian.  I believe that when I die, I am
saved by my faith in Jesus Christ.  I'm not going to
quote a bunch of verses at you.  They'd be lost on you
anyway.

You are an atheist (and apparently a self-styled
antichrist, which is an amusing paradox).  You believe
that when you die, you die.  And that's it.  You also
believe that when I die, I die.  That's it.

With me, so far?  I'll try not to strain you.

So let's just say hypothetically that my faith in my
God and my saviour is misplaced and you're right.  So,
if that's true, when I die, I'll be nothing.  Cease to
be.  Like that period you had before you were born but
can't remember because you we're born yet.

If that's true, I haven't really lost anything.  I'm
not going to feel regret or sorrow for making the
'wrong' choice because if you're right, I won't exist.

But what if I'm right?

I don't expect you to see the light, but everyone
deserves a chance.  I got mine and I'm sure glad I
did.  Because I used to be a self-important little
atheist myself, back when I was younger and
considerably less mature.  I hope you grow out of
this, as I did.  But if you don't...more's the pity.

God loves you, even if you don't love Him in return.
And he wants everyone to have that chance at
salvation.  You always have the chance, but (like any
good democracy) you have the right to deny it.

I don't expect you to even think about the things I've
said.  Maybe I'm saying them solely for my own
benefit.

God bless,
Nathaniel
"I once was lost, but now am found; was blind, but now
I see."

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:13:14 +1100 (EST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: To James


Dear James,

I read some of the emails etc on your website, and I
want to challenge you if you are up to it. If you are
strong enough read what I have written below:

The BIBLE says: "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered
into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed
upon all men, for that all have sinned."

Now that includes you James, the Bible also adds in
Romans 6:23a: "For the wages of sin is death."

James, the point is this, you are living in sin, and
you will die in your sin and face the wrath of the
only true and living God! James you NEED Jesus Christ
the Son of God as your personal Saviour.

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:
and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life,
but the wrath of God abideth on him" John 3:36

James, do not reject Jesus Christ, you will have to
face Him one day in the judgement, repent (turn
around) from you sins, and receive Jesus Christ.

"If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him
from the dead, thou shalt be saved!" Romans 10:9

I will pray for you!

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:46:50 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re: No subject necessary, really.

Nathaniel wrote:
>
> Besides, I would absolutely hate to be assaulted by
> your rapier-like wit.

	Our latest member to the team, Frederick the Fourth Apostle, says that
I have become more intolerant as of late, I think he's rubbing off.  :o)

> I am a Christian.  I believe that when I die, I am
> saved by my faith in Jesus Christ.  I'm not going to
> quote a bunch of verses at you.

	[...]

> So let's just say hypothetically that my faith in my
> God and my saviour is misplaced and you're right.  So,
> if that's true, when I die, I'll be nothing.  Cease to
> be.  Like that period you had before you were born but
> can't remember because you we're born yet.
>
> If that's true, I haven't really lost anything.  I'm
> not going to feel regret or sorrow for making the
> 'wrong' choice because if you're right, I won't exist.
>
> But what if I'm right?

	I've explained this several times before, it's even covered in the
motherload section.  But one more time won't hurt.  :o)

	Pascal's Wager is one of the most used arguments by theists, though it
is not popular among those who seriously seek truth. The wager is not truly an
argument for the existence of god, but more a reason for believing in god.
Blaise Pascal, who first wrote it down, was a French philosopher, mathematician
and physicist.

	Pascal came to the conclusion that the existence of a god could not be
established, that he could never know whether a god did or did not exist. But
instead of accepting the position of atheistic agnosticism he made his famous,
or maybe infamous, wager. The wager states that if we do not know if a god
exists or not, we had better believe in him, for we can lose nothing by
believing and being wrong, but we can lose a lot by not believing and being
wrong. Consider the four possibilities:

 If I believe and God exists: I'll be happy for eternity = infinite gain.
 If I believe and God does not exist: I've lost nothing and gained nothing.
 If I do not believe and God exists: I'll be punished for eternity = infinite loss.
 If I do not believe and God does not exist: I've lost nothing and gained nothing.

	Therefore by believing I cannot lose anything, but I can win a lot. But
by not believing I can lose a lot, but cannot win anything. So I'd better
believe.

	Is this a reasonable argument to believe in god? Is it flawless? Should
we take the safe bet?

	No. Let us examine the first point. We have no knowledge of the nature
of this god. If the true god is Allah, just believing in him won't do the
trick. You need to do more. Maybe the true god let's us reincarnate. Maybe the
true god supports no afterlife. Maybe the true god does not care about belief
or unbelief. Maybe the true god does not care about humans at all. If you
believe in god and god exists, you're still not sure of infinite, or any, gain.

	Worse, suppose that you believe in the wrong god. Suppose you believe
in Jehovah and Allah is the true god. Man, you're going to be in trouble! And
there are more than 5000 gods out there. Which is the true one? Which is the
one in whom one should believe? You do not only need to believe in god, you
must first find out what the true god is. Believing in the wrong god could be a
disaster!

	The second point is untrue also. If you spend your life worshipping a
god, and he does not exist, you've lost a lot. Think of all the time lost in
worship and devotion. You have wasted all you have, the few years of your life,
to serve a lie. That is an incredible loss. Thus, two of Pascal's wager's
premisses fail.

	The third point is not valid either, for it too assumes that the god of
the Universe is the Christian god Jehovah. Maybe the true god supports no hell.
Maybe the true god is really merciful. Maybe he's a god of reason, and he
thinks those who believe on faith are pathetic. Maybe none of the gods we know
is true and we all are unbelievers; would we all end in hell? Maybe god does
not care about humans and has made no afterlife. The third point is no more
solid than the previous two.

	The final point: the atheist who is right gains nothing. Is this true?
The atheist who is right has been right. He has discovered truth. He has spent
his time not in worship of an empty notion, but in doing useful things. If the
world is a better place for the fact that he has lived, then he has all the
gain he can wish for. And the devout believer who has prayed and preached and
hoped and believed has lost his entire life. The atheist has gained nothing?
The atheist has gained a lot. He alone was in the position to make the most of
his life. Pascal's fourth point is no better than the others.

	Pascal's wager betrays a deep scorn for truth. The one who brings this
argument tells you not to believe because a god exists, but to believe because
it could bring you pleasure in the future. Yet we believe things because we
think they are true, not because we want them to be true. Using this
'reasoning' we would have to decide that we should believe in all the gods ever
concieved, nay, in all the gods that are concievable and in addition in every
other thing that could bring us pleasure if we believed in it. This is absurd,
and the entire wager is a rape of Reason.

	A final argument might be that it is impossible to believe something
which you deep down know to be false. Therefore it is impossible to believe in
god even if we wanted to, without serious avidence. So Pascal's Wager tells us
to do something impossible, making it even more preposterous. (If you don't
believe it's impossible to make yourself believe things, try believing that
Odin is the One True God.)

--- Cut/paste reiteration (included here to provide clarity) ---

Pascal's Wager (God is a safe bet)

"If you believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you have lost nothing --
but if you don't believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you will go to
hell. Therefore it is foolish to be an atheist."

This argument is known as Pascal's Wager. It has several flaws.

Firstly, it does not indicate which religion to follow. Indeed, there are many
mutually exclusive and contradictory religions out there. This is often
described as the "avoiding the wrong hell" problem. If a person is a follower
of one religion, he may end up in another religion's version of hell.

Even if we assume that there's a God, that doesn't imply that there's one
unique God. Which should we believe in? If we believe in all of them, how will
we decide which commandments to follow?

Secondly, the statement that "If you believe in God and turn out to be
incorrect, you have lost nothing" is not true. Suppose you're believing in the
wrong God -- the true God might punish you for your foolishness. Consider also
the deaths that have resulted from people rejecting medicine in favor of prayer.

Another flaw in the argument is that it is based on the assumption that the
two possibilities are equally likely -- or at least, that they are of
comparable likelihood. If, in fact, the possibility of there being a God is
close to zero, the argument becomes much less persuasive. So sadly the argument
is only likely to convince those who believe already.

Also, many feel that for intellectually honest people, belief is based on
evidence, with some amount of intuition. It is not a matter of will or
cost-benefit analysis.

Formally speaking, the argument consists of four statements:

   1.One does not know whether God exists.
   2.Not believing in God is bad for one's eternal soul if God does exist.
   3.Believing in God is of no consequence if God does not exist.
   4.Therefore it is in one's interest to believe in God.

There are two approaches to the argument. The first is to view Statement 1 as
an assumption, and Statement 2 as a consequence of it. The problem is that
there's really no way to arrive at Statement 2 from Statement 1 via simple
logical inference. The statements just don't follow on from each other.

The alternative approach is to claim that Statements 1 and 2 are both
assumptions. The problem with this is that Statement 2 is then basically an
assumption which states the Christian position, and only a Christian will agree
with that assumption. The argument thus collapses to "If you are a Christian,
it is in your interests to believe in God" -- a rather vacuous tautology, and
not the way Pascal intended the argument to be viewed.

Also, if we don't even know that God exists, why should we take Statement 2
over some similar assumption? Isn't it just as likely that God would be angry
at people who chose to believe for personal gain? If God is omniscient, he will
certainly know who really believes and who believes as a wager. He will spurn
the latter... assuming he actually cares at all whether people truly believe in
him.

Some have suggested that the person who chooses to believe based on Pascal's
Wager, can then somehow make the transition to truly believing. Unfortunately,
most atheists don't find it possible to make that leap.

In addition, this hypothetical God may require more than simple belief; almost
all Christians believe that the Christian God requires an element of trust and
obedience from his followers. That destroys the assertion that if you believe
but are wrong, you lose nothing.

Finally, if this God is a fair and just God, surely he will judge people on
their actions in life, not on whether they happen to believe in him. A God who
sends good and kind people to hell is not one most atheists would be prepared
to consider worshipping.

James

Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 02:19:23 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re: New direction // reply

James,

	I do want to reply to the whole of your letter, especially your similar
political views (regarding Israel and Africa).  However, I am a Scientist
before all else, and I simply _had_ to comment before I called it quits for the
day, regarding your misunderstanding of lasers and laser dopants.

James W wrote:
>
> >First Apostel james wrote:
> >I am not aware of, nor could I find reference to a "rubidium" laser,
> >did you mean neodymium?  Rubidium is used in laser filters however.
>
> It's often called the Ruby Laser, as it uses a rubidium rod for
> construction. I call it by its proper name out of good habit.
> Searches for it online are best conducted with the keyword ruby laser, as
> rubidium laser usually returns results only related to spectral filters.
>
> http://digilander.libero.it/westaustralia/rubylaser/ Homebuilt Ruby laser.
> http://www.advanceddermatologypc.com/qswitched.htm Q-Switched Rubidium Laser
> used for dermatology.

	You should look up what a ruby is.  The ruby laser uses CHROMIUM not
RUBIDIUM for the lasing dopant.  As I have explained many times, you are a bad
Scientist, you come to conclusions without following proper coursework.

	Here's a URL to explain how the chromium dopant in a fused aluminum
oxide rod is the basis for the "ruby laser".  In fact, here are several.

http://accelconf.web.cern.ch/AccelConf/p99/PAPERS/WEA105.PDF

Chromium gives ruby its characteristic red color and is responsible for the
lasing behavior of the crystal. Chromium atoms absorb green and blue light and
emit or reflect only red light. For a ruby laser, a crystal of ruby is formed
into a cylinder... http://www.cat.ernet.in/lasinfo/ruby.html

(basically the same as above, only provided by the US government)
http://www.llnl.gov/nif/library/aboutlasers/how.html

http://dutch.phys.strath.ac.uk/CommPhys2001Exam/Allison_Rice/ruby.htm
http://www.achilles.net/~jtalbot/amateur/movies/Ruby.html
http://www.achilles.net/~jtalbot/history/ruby.html
http://helios.physics.uoguelph.ca/summer/scor/articles/scor15.htm

	This should be enough to prove I am the superior Scientist.  Not that
this was my intention, but to tout yourself in that email like you were
superior to me, then mistake ruby (chromium doped aluminum oxide) for the pure
element rubidium only shows you are hopelessly unqualified to be a Scientist.

http://www.tamuk.edu/chemistry/WebElements/rubidium_element.htm
http://www.qivx.com/ispt/elements/ispt_037.htm
http://education.jlab.org/itselemental/ele037.html

	There are plenty more websites to verify my claims if these are not
enough.  The reason why you were only able to find rubidium filters in
association with lasers is because, as I said in my previous email, the only
application that I know of for rubidium with lasers is as a filter.

	Did you note in my previous email that I specialize in Physical
Science?  Did you really think you could make sh*t up like this and I'd somehow
fail to catch it, and not comment on it?  Or do you truly believe your own
falsehoods, and misapplications of "knowledge"?  Do you honestly believe at
this exact moment in time, you are _as_intelligent_ as you purport you are?

	James W, stick with shamenry, at least there you're an EXPERT!

James

Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:07:48 +0000
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: You Rock man

Hey James, how ya doin'! I'd just like to give you praise on maintaining
such a quality website. I wonder how much sh_t you'd get from "the idiots",
and appreciate your effort in doing this for the persuit of truth.

I'm sure my argument is in your website somewhere (it's 5am :D... I'm sure
I'll read every bit of your site soon, but for now just write), or you've
already came up with it. But, I'd like to give you one of my arguements to
Christianity.

God is omnipotent (which is NOT a consistent idea in itself), according to
Christianity. Therefore, he can do anything, and he also KNOWS everything
(omniscience falls into omnipotence). So anyways, he created humans, and
"gave" us "free will." Really. If God knows (and knew) everything, he must
have known which of us is going to heaven, and which ones are going to hell.
Everything was set in the first place. It's ultimate determinism. Therefore,
whatever we do, we're only "playing our roles" in "His" plan. That, my
Christian friends, is NOT free will. Christianity, before being anything
close to truth, is incosistent with itself! :D

Thanks for reading,
"Brother" in the pursuit of truth,
John




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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:33:57 +0000
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: It's John Again


Hey man, I've been diggin' around your site. Haha.. IT ROCKS..

anyways, I like Cradle of Filth. I wonder if you'd like them too :D They
aren't as heavy as Diecide, but lyrics are good, and music is "gothic"

And have you listened to George Carlin, the comedian? I bet you'd find his
stuff (especialy on christianity *wink wink*) fakin' hillarious. He's all
over Kazaa. I think you'll find how amazing it is that George, although not
a scientist nor philosopher, came up with all the stuff with simple
"_logic_"!

So your in research huh? I hope to be in about a couple of years :D.

Thanks again, hope your research is goin well,
John




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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:16:55 +0000
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: It's John AGAIN

James (Hetfield :D?),

Sorry I keep sending emails, but I can't help it. My previous emails were
cursory, and it said nothing new, so I wanna send one again.

I'm John, and I live in Canada. I'm in university majoring in biochemistry,
and consider myself a scientist. Yes. Carl Sagan is my hero baby, and so is
Mr. Roddenberry and Clarke, along with Einie and Newton (he is our true
Christ - you know when his birthday is right? :D) I have so many things to
say, but I'll cut short to my "main" story.

I have been Christian until I was in grade 11, when I started doubting the
faith. (pretty dumb witted eh? :D) I have to mention I am Korean. Does this
ring a bell? Koreans become crazy fanatics when they become Christian. It's
insane. Korea is one of the few nations where Christianity is EXPANDING.
It's so f_ckin' ridiculous. Anyways I was introduced to Chritianity when I
was young, and believed in it, even though I dreamt about being the next
Stephen Hawking. That's how dangerous it is, this Christianity. It denies
any criticism, logic and reason, while answering everything using circular
logic, with bible as the "evidence." My young feeble teenage mind was too
weak to question it. And I was "out there searching for the truth" in the
web of lies, feeling guilty for being horny, guilty for denying "God",
guilty about the other people that are suffering in this world, guilty
because my parents were working 10 hours a day just to earn a living. And
what did guilt do? It bogged me down more and more, in a positive feedback,
forcing me to watch TV all day and not think. And so, I went to church every
Sunday, praying for my sins, trying to find "His presence." And for that, I
got the two-faced (this is such a common phenomenon in all churches)
snobbing of church goers, "friends" that never included me in their group,
and lost the ability to have fun until my 1st year. It just amazes me what
Christianity can do to a mind.

But now, there's a new problem for me. As I mentioned, I am Korean. And
Koreans are fanatic. The spreading of Christianity is causing my nation
reversing of public intelligence, and it is also breaking hearts (korean
tradition of "je-sah" is considered idol worship, and this breaks up
families, mine almost being one of them :( ) In the streets of seoul at
night, you can see thousands of red crosses, no joke. :D Heck, the newly
elected president is Christian. Oh for the love of Satan!

Anyways, for my situation: All over the walls of my university are postings
of some reverend coming in from Korea, gatherings about Jesus, finding God,
blah blah blah. It's embarrasing! And what pisses me off is the fact that
our nation, with 4000+ years of history, have nothing to say about our own
history, but ONLY of the people (Jewish) we barely know. I don't blame my
ancestors for persecuting this faith when it started to appear around the
1700s. They were wise. What pisses me off more is the fact that I can't meet
anyone unless I go to church, because most of Koreans go to church like
there's no tommorow (they actually go 2 to 3 times a week, amidst their busy
university lives). Also hillarious is the fact that new coming Koreans are
being forced to go to church for social reasons (that is the only place
where Koreans gather). My life is quite lonley, because most people I meet
are Koreans (i'm not racist, it's just hard to open up with other races in
Canada) and that usually means they are Christian. This pisses me off quite
a lot (I can't meet any Korean girls unless I go to church :D, well except
for the one I met in my Bio lab, which I have in 2 hours!!).

I've been in so many debates with Christians, in my feeble attempt to free
up some minds and make them my friends; I try and find inconsistencies (as I
mentioned on a previous email) within the bible. And whenever they are
"cornered" in a manner of speaking, they always come back with "the mystery
of God." What do I say to that? :D

This is disheartening, but one thing I enjoy about debates is that they keep
asking questions, even though they start the debate with confidence. They
keep adding sentences, asking about something I mentioned in the previoius
sentence.  I keep answering, and they keep asking. It's like something tells
them that what they believe is wrong (it's probably good old Satan :D).

A thing I learned through these debates, however, is that science, although
it is truly the best "religion" as you said, is not perfect. This is because
of the very nature of our universe, but also because we are human. No one
can deny the fact that there were and are untrue scientists lacking morals.
Just to mention a few, we were and are the ones who designed/are designing
new weapens, engineered the nuke bombs (despite Einie's strong criticism),
and the cloned babies for media attention. (I swear, these Raelians are
sh___ing on our faces.)

Also is the fact science bases it's theory on fundamental assumptions that
can never be "proven" to be correct (the flaw, and beauty, of science :D)
This causes science to change and revises some of it's theories over time,
which seem to cause Christians a lot of problems. "How can you believe in
something that changes?" they ask. Well, I'd rather believe in something
that explains this world than an "invisible man up in the clouds," as George
Carlin would say.

Anyways, as I was saying, I think, we as humans, need to believe in things
(eg, fundamental assumptions) without proof. You for instance said something
around the lines of "what goes around, comes around." This is not a fact.
But it is a very probable theory. And probability is what makes all the
difference in the world (all statistics ya?). But there is always a chance
of thet improbable happening (due to for example, quantum tunneling, or
simply Heisenberg uncertainty; "improbable" as in we not knowing.). So I
think it is wise to be a little "religious" in assuming that there will
always be things we won't be able to explain with science. (besides, what
fun would it be if we knew EVERYTHING, right? This is one of the questions I
ask Christians: "What is the purpose of God's life? He knows everything.
What fun would it be for him to exist?? This again reminds me of a suicidal
"Q" in a TNG episode.)

Anyways, thanks for listening to that long rant, again. And again, I really
admire you for putting up with so much crap for the persuit of truth and the
awakening of the public. May the force be with you, live long and propser,
hope to see more postings!!

John

PS: I got a lab in less than 2 hours, and I got no sleep. "to hell" with
this site, cause I'll be waiting down there. Anyways, wish me luck man!


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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:58:12 +0000 (GMT)
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: comments



i visited your site just for fun. I am a Christian orthodox and i want to
tell you a couple of things.

1. Because you guys exist you make us feel better knowing that i am still
on my good way and i didnt leave my normal life praying for sth that is
ugly, has dark power and all that sh*t that your satan has. Even he (of
course i am not going to write him with a capitol h) escaped from God so
you have the same fate. Far away from us the obedient as you say. But is
is not obedience. It is not poverty. Even if the God wouldn't exist the
things that Christianism teaches are the good ones for a normal life,
they are the things that you must understand that they are normal. In
nature there are always two sides. You have to give sth from yourself to
enjoy hapiness and pleasure in life. Not just do what you he tells you.

2. Believing that everything is true about heaven what if you give the
small lasting life of yours to earn an eternity? it is like giving a buck
to win trillions. Wouldn't you give it if you knew? But know one thing.
This is Not your purpose. Because if you think in all your life and aim
that i want to win heaven your motives will be gone after years. You must
believe and embrace the fate. Otherwise you are like a gambler and when
you are out of money (motives) they you are strike out.

I hope that you are not a stupid man with a stupid site and you will
study not read) what i just said. Besides you have an e-mail to contact,
not to swear.


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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:30:49 +0700
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: LORD JESUS


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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:43:52 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: LORD JESUS save US.



Jesus is my savior. HE give his blood to save people from fire of hell.
I'm from Indonesia. USA is a great BABEL.


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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 07:15:42 -0500
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: repentance


  why have you allowed the devil to use science to blind your heart from
God Almighty. haven read in the Bible on how Jesus came and died for you.
With the same love that Jesus spent on you I will want you to relax on
your bed today and think about it and you will definitely recognise the
love God has spent on you.
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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 06:26:53 -0900
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: nice webpage

Your webpage makes no sense.  You call yourself an antichrist, and say you
are taking over; from what? Christ? If that is the case you are saying you
are rebels from Christ proving his existance!

You are an idiot.

I dont see why are are so offended by a man.





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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 02:13:39 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re: New direction // reply

Wow, the ultimate scientist or the ultimate ego...I'm not sure which. You
are good at science, but failed to realize the title of my previous emails
were to suggest that a deity was perhaps the ultimate scientist; not
either of us. It would appear that you can poke fun at my level of
achievement as a scientist, and likewise I can do the same with myself,
but the converse does not appear to be true.

I confess I offered you a trick question (and a trick answer!) but it's no
reason to fly off the handle on me. I know, it was not exactly fair to
provide a misleading answer...but I merely wanted to know how much you did
know about laser sciences after all our talk, and how well you would react
to the same type of egotism that you've thrown at me all throughout our
correspondance.

I am a good scientist, but my methodology is highly unorthodox...which
makes me a rare scientist who is able to progress where others do not. I
know I am intelligent, and I need not anyone to confirm this. If I were to
force that nature upon everyone else I would seem anything but; therefore
I don't. Science is a far from shamery, and I've always done the former,
not the latter. If you cannot handle sarcasm or tests, I will refrain from
ever offering them again.

                                                            James

--- First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net> wrote:
>James,
>
>	I do want to reply to the whole of your letter, especially your similar
>political views (regarding Israel and Africa).  However, I am a Scientist
>before all else, and I simply _had_ to comment before I called it quits for the
>day, regarding your misunderstanding of lasers and laser dopants.
>
>James W wrote:
>>
>> >First Apostel james wrote:
>> >I am not aware of, nor could I find reference to a "rubidium" laser,
>> >did you mean neodymium?  Rubidium is used in laser filters however.
>>
>> It's often called the Ruby Laser, as it uses a rubidium rod for
>> construction. I call it by its proper name out of good habit.
>> Searches for it online are best conducted with the keyword ruby laser, as
>> rubidium laser usually returns results only related to spectral filters.
>>
>> http://digilander.libero.it/westaustralia/rubylaser/ Homebuilt Ruby laser.
>> http://www.advanceddermatologypc.com/qswitched.htm Q-Switched Rubidium Laser
>> used for dermatology.
>
>	You should look up what a ruby is.  The ruby laser uses CHROMIUM not
>RUBIDIUM for the lasing dopant.  As I have explained many times, you are a bad
>Scientist, you come to conclusions without following proper coursework.
>
>	Here's a URL to explain how the chromium dopant in a fused aluminum
>oxide rod is the basis for the "ruby laser".  In fact, here are several.
>
>http://accelconf.web.cern.ch/AccelConf/p99/PAPERS/WEA105.PDF
>
>Chromium gives ruby its characteristic red color and is responsible for the
>lasing behavior of the crystal. Chromium atoms absorb green and blue light and
>emit or reflect only red light. For a ruby laser, a crystal of ruby is formed
>into a cylinder... http://www.cat.ernet.in/lasinfo/ruby.html
>
>(basically the same as above, only provided by the US government)
>http://www.llnl.gov/nif/library/aboutlasers/how.html
>
>http://dutch.phys.strath.ac.uk/CommPhys2001Exam/Allison_Rice/ruby.htm
>http://www.achilles.net/~jtalbot/amateur/movies/Ruby.html
>http://www.achilles.net/~jtalbot/history/ruby.html
>http://helios.physics.uoguelph.ca/summer/scor/articles/scor15.htm
>
>	This should be enough to prove I am the superior Scientist.  Not that
>this was my intention, but to tout yourself in that email like you were
>superior to me, then mistake ruby (chromium doped aluminum oxide) for the pure
>element rubidium only shows you are hopelessly unqualified to be a Scientist.
>
>http://www.tamuk.edu/chemistry/WebElements/rubidium_element.htm
>http://www.qivx.com/ispt/elements/ispt_037.htm
>http://education.jlab.org/itselemental/ele037.html
>
>	There are plenty more websites to verify my claims if these are not
>enough.  The reason why you were only able to find rubidium filters in
>association with lasers is because, as I said in my previous email, the only
>application that I know of for rubidium with lasers is as a filter.
>
>	Did you note in my previous email that I specialize in Physical
>Science?  Did you really think you could make sh*t up like this and I'd somehow
>fail to catch it, and not comment on it?  Or do you truly believe your own
>falsehoods, and misapplications of "knowledge"?  Do you honestly believe at
>this exact moment in time, you are _as_intelligent_ as you purport you are?
>
>	James W, stick with shamenry, at least there you're an EXPERT!
>
>James

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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:37:58 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re: New direction // reply

James W wrote:
>
> I confess I offered you a trick question (and a trick answer!) but it's no
> reason to fly off the handle on me. I know, it was not exactly fair to provide
> a misleading answer...but I merely wanted to know how much you did know about
> laser sciences after all our talk, and how well you would react to the same
> type of egotism that you've thrown at me all throughout our correspondance.

	No, those kind of mind game tricks may work on christians, however they
will not work on me, or any true Scientist.  You my friend are a bad Scientist,
that's a fact, you've proven it, we all see it, everyone even the weak minded
can see it.  You made a mistake, you showed us all exactly _why_ you consider
yourself a christian as well as a Scientist.  A true Scientist would have had
the FACTS before making a statement.  This is why all good Scientists are
atheist.  You accept things that sound good, or sound close (ruby; rubidium) as
fact without doing the proper coursework, namely RESEARCH!  You were not
testing me, if you were, you'd have encoded proof of the test somehow into the
message, or sent another message with a pgp encrypted message stating the fact
of your test of my knowledge on lasers, and to prove this to us all, released
the password to read the encrypted message NOW, after the fact,  That's how I
would have done it, so that the time-stamps and message arrival times would not
lie.  Had you done that, I'd have applauded your (albeit unnecessary) test.

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: 2.3a

pgAAAHPST9+v06CPG67yXJIdtkI1+pOVz9Hj55SokNXYe6HmGzLYZdg0Z5zV3Zwi
Jt2pyc+OS3qRrcj217GkuhBtCW9wAugFnmuYw516JGg96KRKRVb16oetjC97zgem
SKYZx32vY7gWWJhHlqlpQ+6rZ4bVFvq9
=72+j
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----

	The password for the encrypted message (above) is "science".

James

Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:48:16 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re: New direction // reply

James,

What you must understand is that your way is not always the best way, nor
is it the only way to do something. As stated, this was more a test of
charecter than of science, and I'm sure you see that now.

I wanted to see how you would go about your correction, as I anticipated
you would quickly rebut and attempt to rectify the erraneous statements
with the correct data, based upon your attitude from our emails, and the
superiority complex you seem to, without hesitation, project.

That WAS the test. It was already clear to me that the answers were known
by both parties, but the way to which that answer would be addressed and
then concluded is what I wanted to see.

You've already proven you know specific things, but once more the very
knowledge of lasers was not what I was testing for. The test was very
basic:

Hypothesis: Stimuli of erratic data will be responded to harshly with
reproof.

Method:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Present correct data for a base discussion.
2. Migrate and incorporate erratic data, and partially flawed statement.
3. Time wait, upon previous behavior, to see response to stimuli.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Conditions:
True = Stimuli was responded to cordially. Corrections made.
False = Stimuli was responded to with anger. Corrections made.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Test break:
If the subject does not know the answer, or pretends they do not have the
answer, they have accurately defeated the test without passing it. This
particular test will be broken if the answer is never recieved.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Conclusion:
Hypothesis correct. Test was failed by emotion before logic.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

The way to break this test James, is to pretend to not know the answer at
all, or at the very least, realize it was a test for something other than
laser app. If you knew it was a test but wanted to purposely flaw it, you
could have responded cordially still, with either true or false data, as
you would have known that the correct answers had no correlation to the
results of the test.

Would it be more logical to assume that I would ask a question I knew the
answer to...or use it to determin one I did not? Especially after our
discussion of lasers with regard to Sir Isaac Newton...this had already
proved to me you were versed with the physical sciences that you said you
were...had you ever thought therer was a test within a test to look out
for?

Knowing how to heuristically approach the unknown from various angles
makes one a better scientist. Being able to pass heuristic tests from
others thar defy logic on some levels to accomodate others will make you a
good scientist...

People will surely offer this test again, but more than likely for their
own gain...not to help you benefit yourself as was the other purpose for
this test. They will more than likely not tell you it is a test either.
They will draw thier own conclusions and leave you oblivious to the fact
it was conducted upon you. Rather than do that, this test was conducted
for your own self-analysis to see how you would fare, then make the proper
adjustments for you to be able to handle future events of this nature.

>No, those kind of mind game tricks may work on christians, however >they
will not work on me, or any true Scientist.

A true scientist would have seen it coming. A Christian...probably not.

>You my friend are a bad Scientist, that's a fact, you've proven it, we
>all see it, everyone even the weak minded can see it.

Actually, I've proved the contrary. I'm a good scientist, and my logic is
capable of higher levels than what even great scientists assume and
attempt to predict. By the way, who is 'we'? I have not shared our emails
with anyone. Have you? And since when have you needed the support of the
weak minded???

>You made a mistake, you showed us all exactly _why_ you consider
>yourself a christian as well as a Scientist.

No, I gave a test. You made a mistake. Next time I'm sure you'll do
better. A true scientist never gives up. :) The fact the test was
conclusive is proof that I'm a good scientist...since you never noticed
any part of the presance of this until now. :)

>A true Scientist would have had >the FACTS before making a statement.
This is why all good Scientists >are atheist.

The fact is that you project a superiority complex, and it was studied and
observed with all the emails presented on your website. All good
scientists are atheists? This sounds more like a reverse-theologist
statement than a scientific one. A true scientist would present the facts
if the point was to reproof the other party...but a true scientist would
likewise dismiss those same facts passively to draw a higher conclusion
beyond a linear predictive model. This would create a more pressing test,
and the results of how the reproof was presented, if it was presented at
all, would disclose the results for the test, and the proof desired for
it.


>You accept things that sound good, or sound close (ruby; rubidium) as
>fact without doing the proper coursework, namely RESEARCH!

Requoted from my above statement as the answer to this:
"A true scientist would present the facts if the point was to reproof the
other party...but a true scientist would likewise dismiss those same facts
passively to draw a higher conclusion beyond a linear predictive model."

An intermediate scientist may have fallen for the ellusive answer I gave
you. I assumed you wouldn't, at least, I hoped you wouldn't. But moreover,
I hoped you would have either passed or defeated the test by realizing it
was s test to begin with.

>You were not testing me, if you were, you'd have encoded proof of the
>test somehow into the message, or sent another message with a pgp
>encrypted message stating the fact of your test of my knowledge on
>lasers, and to prove this to us all, released the password to read the
>encrypted message.

The proof was already there, but you didn't see it. The hint was when I
stated that 'the professional' name for the ruby laser was the rubidium
laser...something which should have given the test away...but I counted on
the fact you would see it as a sign of ignorance to be able to conduct
this test. Had you not assumed a linear way of thinking, as is porbably
used with the replies to most people who are Christians whom you reply
to...it would have been as apparent then as it is now that there was more
than just erraneous responses hidden within the paragraphs with regard to
the laser. And I don't use PGP anymore. It's been cracked before.

>That's how I would have done it, so that the time-stamps and message
>arrival times would not lie.  Had you done that, I'd have applauded >your
(albeit unnecessary) test.

I must stress once more; James' way is not always the best way, nor the
only way. If everything were done one way only, progress would be halted
indefinately to the whims of the controller who deemed it so, as is proven
by the United States Government by example, every time a peace resolution
policiy is presented for evaluation.

                                                              James

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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:16:36 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re: New direction // reply

Man, you just don't give up!  You are a master of circular logic, you really
should take my advice and drop your Scientific pursuits and concentrate on
theology.  The real test you're performing is, when will I give up on replying
to your incessant bullsh*t?  It compares it to a cat, batting it's paw at a
piece of string.  The string moves, so the cat bats again.  I won't be that cat!

As for the PGP message, your claims that 2.3a has been cracked are false,
project bovine did brute force ONE version of PGP, but it was NOT 2.3a (which
contains military RSA encryption), of course you'll only claim your lack of
knowledge regarding this fact as a part of your test.  So if you are unable to
decipher the message (and yes, there is a message in there) because you don't
use PGP anymore, since it's been cracked, keep this in mind.  Project bovine
took months, nearly a year to crack a 56 bit encryption.  This one is 1024 bit.
You do the math, extrapolate the required parallel computing "crack time".

Remember, I will NOT be that cat (should you reply to this message).  Also, I
am not out to persecute you, nor am I egocentric, because until now, I have not
mentioned that your spelling is atrocious.  If my goal was to condemn you, I'd
have done it with that point three messages ago.  You really should use
spellcheck, even I use spellcheck, when in doubt, before sending a message.

James

Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 09:04:44 +0000
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: interesting comments by you



You said

"There you go again, attributing that which you are unable to comprehend, or
unwilling to explore, to mythical gods. Can't you be as rational as I an
draw the parallel between the past, when sick people were stricken by satan
and today merely infected with parasitic lifeforms.

Again you are fabricating something in your mind to comprehend that which
you are unable to comprehend. My measured IQ is 232 (cattell) so there is
very little that seems or is imcomprehensible to me. Perhaps that's an
advantage to me and a disadvantage to you. Perhaps if I was lacking in my
ability to reason I too would attribute all that confused me to the will of
gods.

Gods are easy, science is hard.

Let me raise one skeptical point here. If the ancients, the people who
invented the gods you pray to, were so smart about knowing gods exist why
were they so dumb about everything else? Hypothesis they were dumb about
everything including the existence of God's. How's that for ya.

Life has no purpose it just is. If you want a purpose in life it's up to you
to find one, for yourself. As I say in my treatise the meaning of life is
the same as the meaning of a glass of water, there is no meaning.

We were not created and there is no reason why we are here we just are

You need to study evolution. It's very logical.

People like you caused the polywater scare of the 1950's. Bad science is
destructive.

We didn't have the means to visulise the atom yet we were able to fathom the
construct way before we were technologically advanced enough to verify this
theory. Applied to theology science disproves gods. Since the period where
mankind has recorded history, there have been over five thousand different
gods created by even more different civilisation all over the world. Only
one or two are accepted today.

Yeah like how the jewish controlled media never tell about how south africa
was a first world nation. But only under apartheid, and only under white
rule. Today under black rule, rape is legal, murder is tolerated, and the
nation has dropped to third world status. The jews did not report when the
negroes took power they killed all the white farmers and are now starving.
They don't report how under Mandella, south africa can no longer be trusted
to pay debts that mastercard and visa are not accepted there anymore. From a
thriving first world nation to third world status in just seven under black
rule.

This same story can be applied to rhodesia only the negroes in Zimbabwe
reject the US food donations because we have poisonois food. Since we
genetically modify our food, so now that ZImbabwe has killed all their white
farmers and rejected our donations of food they can now all diw and I hope
they die arduously, nobody deserves it more.

Do you believe at this exact moment in time, you are-as-intelligent as you
purport you are.

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Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 03:20:08 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re: New direction // reply

sh*t foo, y'allz be needn' to check out da temple of da black jesus! Hopes
I spelled dat riight. :D
http://www.templeofblackjesus.com/new_stuff.html

--- First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net> wrote:
>Man, you just don't give up!  You are a master of circular logic, you really
>should take my advice and drop your Scientific pursuits and concentrate on
>theology.

A good scientist never gives up. :) Perserverance is a virtue...Circular
logic? Nah! It's hip to be square. :D

>The real test you're performing is, when will I give up on replying
>to your incessant bullsh*t?  It compares it to a cat, batting it's paw at a
>piece of string.  The string moves, so the cat bats again.  I won't be that cat!

Nor would I want you to be.

>
>As for the PGP message, your claims that 2.3a has been cracked are false,
>project bovine did brute force ONE version of PGP, but it was NOT 2.3a (which
>contains military RSA encryption), of course you'll only claim your lack of
>knowledge regarding this fact as a part of your test.

I have not used PGP since I read the reports of the previous version
overcome. It doesn't mean I have made a false statement, it means I simply
do not use it anymore. There is no 'lack of knowledge' for not using a
flawed product, but something to be said for caution on behalf of the
user. Recent versions use RSA, and enhancements to MDM5, but I have yet to
try them.


>So if you are unable to
>decipher the message (and yes, there is a message in there) because you don't
>use PGP anymore, since it's been cracked, keep this in mind.  Project bovine
>took months, nearly a year to crack a 56 bit encryption.  This one is 1024 bit.
>You do the math, extrapolate the required parallel computing "crack time".

Very well, I will reinstall it to see the message...

>Remember, I will NOT be that cat (should you reply to this message).  Also, I
>am not out to persecute you, nor am I egocentric, because until now, I have not
>mentioned that your spelling is atrocious.

Guilty as charged on the spelling :"> I'm not writing a book (though
sometimes it feels like it with my emails), so I don't often critique the
spelling. If the person knows exactly what word I was typing, and I know
that I'm not talking to an idiot, is it not ok to just communicate quickly
at the risk of grammatical errors?

>If my goal was to condemn you, I'd have done it with that point three
>messages ago.  You really should use spellcheck, even I use spellcheck,
>when in doubt, before sending a message.

Yes I should. Most of the time, from this account, I don't, as it's a web
based system and it's spellcheck function isn't very efficient. Outside of
that, it's a good perl script for general use as a mail client.

>James

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Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 02:42:51 EST
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: 56



James, i understand that you may not actually be a believer on the
contrary, you know you believe in God its just that you need proof. i
guess if you ask me iim proof that there's a creator. a creator that
knows everything we dont know. besides, how is it that im in this flesh
writing this. also, if a true Christian knows you dont believe in God and
you feel ashamed to discuss your beliefs prepare for a contest.
  Also, whats the deal with ethics? That sounded kinda harsh. Consider
this. how is it that you came to existence and you cant appreciate life.
Life its self has more meaning then the color of our skins.
                     finally, you couldn't comprehend suffering.
Suffering started the day sin was adapted. two humans, one judge, two
guilty persons, judgment.

Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 12:53:35 +0000
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: at the end of the day your an american




www.gta.gov.zw

Mr, 232 I would love you to tell me how a man of your intelligence can say
that those people deserve to die arduously.

There's no business like war business. Thanks to the war aginst Iraq, the US
has military bases in the Persian Gulf. Thanks to the war against
Yugoslavia, the US has its military bases in Bosnia, Kosovo, and Macedonia.
Thanks to the war against the Taliban, the US is now in Turkmenistan,
Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkey, Georgia and Azerbaijan.

Rubin Frank, former Presidnet of NBC News... News is what someone wants to
suppress. Everything else is advertising.

Richard Salent, Former President CBS News... ur job is to give people not
what they want, but what we decide they ought to have.

Of all industialised countries, the US spends the most by far on the
military and prisions ans the least on social programs, such as, education,
health care, housing and natural resources.
The Pentagon spends $750,000 per minute; 50 times what is spent on
enviroment protection; 7 times what is spent on education. US military
expenditures account for 46% of the 2003 Federal Budget, approximately
one-half of global military spending.
The US is the world's largest arms exporter and the smallest contributor for
international humanitarian aid, spending just 0.1 % of the US GNP.
THe war on Iraq has been going on for years, bombing has been reported to
occur on an average of every 2-3 days. THis is in addition to ongoing
economic sanctions which have devastated the infrastructure and civilian
population for the last 12 years at a coist of 1.5 million dead.
For more than 10 years, the US has deliberately pursued a policy of
destroying the water treatment system of Iraq, knowing full well the cost of
Iraqi lives. The UN has estimated that more than 500,000 Iraqi children died
as a result of the sanctions.
Beginning in 1983, during the Iran-Iraq War, Saddam Hussein was befriended
by the Reagan Administration in its attempts to destablise Iran and the
entire region. Iraq was given tremendous US military aid; including
biological weapons strains and chemical agents for weapons such as Sarin
nerve gas.
Osama Bin Laden was recruited and trained and funded under the Reagan
Administration's National Security Decision Directive, which launched the
largest US covert operation in history. Using Pakistan as a go between the
CIA funneled an estimated 6 billion dollars to the Mujahideen.
The bombing of Afghanistan is not revenge for New York and Washington. It is
yet another act of terror against the people of the world.

Americans they can all die, and I hope they die arduously, nobody deserves
it more.






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Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:41:58 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re: at the end of the day your an american

Samantha wrote:
>
> www.gta.gov.zw
>
> Mr, 232 I would love you to tell me how a man of your intelligence can say
> that those people deserve to die arduously.

	Before the white man came to Africa, the populations were low, in the
thousands, because of natural balances, starvation and disease.  The whites
produced ample food, and built hospitals so the negro population could grow
into the millions, a number which the natural environment can not support
(without the aid of the white man and his technology).  Eventually, the negroes
overthrew the control the whites, started killing the farmers, and taking
everything they had built.  Today they are starving to death, after killing the
white farmers, burning the hospitals and schools (as well as churches).  The
short answer is, they deserve what they are about to receive.  :o)

	Do you know what would happen if you were to go to africa to "help the
starving negroes"?  You could go there with good intentions, but it would mean
nothing because they are wild dogs, you would be gang raped and then killed.
You know I am telling you the truth, because you're not stupid.  You  also
would not enter a negro-infested ghetto any more than I would.  You're just  an
idealist, you're not a Scientist, you want things to be true which are not
true.  You can donate to "save the wildlife fund" all you want, but if you are
ever surrounded by hungry polar bears, you will be killed and eaten.  You know
I am telling you the truth here, please stop kidding yourself about realities.

James



Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:46:31 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re: at the end of the day your an american

Samantha,

	I found an interesting discussion, a person in the UK who decided that
the negroes _there_ are as problematic as we find them in the USA, or Africa.
Seems the majority of the people agree with me in regards to Africa/negroes.

"Black people have benefited enormously from being around whites, but white
people are beginning to see their civil society crumble and institutions decay
owing to the presence of blacks. I am all for helping those blacks that live in
Africa, but allowing so many to settle here was a catastrophe."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=8iu839%24u9f%241%40
nnrp1.deja.com&prev=/groups%3Fq%3D%2522What%2Bmakes%2Byou%2Bthink%2522%2B
Zimbabwe%2BSouth%2BAfrica%2Bgroup:alt.politics.british%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26
ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D8iu839%2524u9f%25241%2540nnrp1.deja.com%26rnum%3D6%26
filter%3D0

The complete thread (76 articles so far)
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=8iu839%24u9f%241%40
nnrp1.deja.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D
8iu839%2524u9f%25241%2540nnrp1.deja.com%26prev%3D/groups%253Fq%253D%252522
What%252Bmakes%252Byou%252Bthink%252522%252BZimbabwe%252BSouth%252BAfrica%252
Bgroup:alt.politics.british%2526hl%253Den%2526lr%253D%2526ie%253DUTF-8%2526
selm%253D8iu839%252524u9f%2525241%252540nnrp1.deja.com%2526rnum%253D6%2526
filter%253D0

James

Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:07:29 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: You f*ckin AnTiChrIsT!!! "Because I LOVE JESUS"




heii you f*ck antichrist i want to say for you but JESUS HAVE AT ALL not
satan is have at all JESUS like peace and love but satan like war and
don't like a love, love is beautiful, war is destroyed.

I want to say for you at all but JESUS Love you and me

I HOPE YOU BELIEVE IN GOD, GOD IS JESUS< JESUS IS GOD"

thank's i hope you reply my mail !!!!

FROM : Pastor . Johanes


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