Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 00:20:50 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re: The Case Against Christ

John wrote:
>
>      Generally, I'm sure many people would start out with "calling
> yourselves apostles is blasphemy". However, I don't care, I think it's great
> what you guys are doing.

	Well, it's performance art, really.  We don't believe in god(s) so we
can't be blaspheming anything if that which we blaspheme does not exist.

>    At any rate, I am a member of a pentecostal youth group in [removed],
	[...]
> supporting anti-christian points. I was wondering if perhaps the 3 of your
> could provide me with the scientific explanations on why you believe Christ
> did not exist.

	The whole of the antichrist dot net website is a wealth of information.
Just read some of the things we've all written, go over the motherload
sections, follow some of the links such as...

Linkname: ROMAN PISO FAMILY WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT, INVENTED "JESUS"
     URL: http://www.konformist.com/blasphemy/piso.htm

> could give me would be greatly appreciated. Much of this is so convincing
> that if fully converted to the faith of Science... I would be very
> interested in becoming an apostle. You would have the John to your James, as
> it were.

	Wow, a christian becomes atheist?  You're an absolute first.  I hope
our rabid buddy Jeff (smattered all over the MOTHERLOAD 3 section) sees this
message!  :o)  Are you serious, or just joking with us?  Because most people
become atheist as children, dropping god along with santa and the easter bunny.

James

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 07:01:36 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeff
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re: The Case Against Christ

Sounds to me that poor ignorant individual never really knew my Savior
in the first place.
Tell him if he truly was a christian he never
can lose it. The Bible says and I (Jesus) give
unto them eternal life and they shall never perish. Neither shall any
man pluck them out of my Father's hand. You did not convert anyone the
guy never was saved in the first place.
You avoided my statement that you have to believe something to be true
to be against it by
saying I just don't get it. Apparently you are the one who does not
understand simple logic and
you said you were genius.
You also made a incorrect statement about our
forefathers. Our nation was built on Biblical
standards God being the role model. Perhaps
you have never heard the pledge of allegiance.
Thanks to the ignorance of people like yourself
God was kicked out of our country so to speak.
But don't you fret My Lord promised the victory
over the sin f this world.
You say Satan is not real read in Isaiah where
  Lucifer (Satan) was thrown out of Heaven.
You said  Lucifer meant enlightened one the
boy don't sound intelligent to me.

2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 THEREFORE IF ANY MAN BE
IN CHRIST,HE IS A NEW CREATURE OLD THINGS
ARE PASSED AWAY, BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE
BECOME NEW.

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 07:06:28 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeff
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re: The Case Against Christ

one more thng you three false prophets know
nothing about christianity if you did you would
be christians. In fact sounds like you don't know
much about Satan.

2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 THEREFORE IF ANY MAN BE
IN CHRIST,HE IS A NEW CREATURE OLD THINGS
ARE PASSED AWAY, BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE
BECOME NEW.

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 07:13:43 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeff
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject:

ask your atheist pal Maeline Murray O'Hare
how she is liking Hell right now,

2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 THEREFORE IF ANY MAN BE
IN CHRIST,HE IS A NEW CREATURE OLD THINGS
ARE PASSED AWAY, BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE
BECOME NEW.

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:28:22 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
To: Jeff
Subject: Re: The Case Against Christ

Jeff wrote:
>
> Sounds to me that poor ignorant individual never really knew my Savior
> in the first place.

	He is the rarest of individual, one who fell into religion, but is now
becoming wise to the reality it is all bunk.  I've never met such before.

> Tell him if he truly was a christian he never
> can lose it. The Bible says and I (Jesus) give
> unto them eternal life and they shall never perish. Neither shall any
> man pluck them out of my Father's hand. You did not convert anyone the
> guy never was saved in the first place.

	Whatever you say Jeff.  ;o)  "The tabloid says..."

> You avoided my statement that you have to believe something to be true
> to be against it by
> saying I just don't get it. Apparently you are the one who does not
> understand simple logic and
> you said you were genius.

	I didn't say I was a genius, my peers did, many of whom rank me above
themselves.  I did not ask to be "enlightened" I simply was (see below).  ;o)

> You also made a incorrect statement about our
> forefathers. Our nation was built on Biblical
> standards God being the role model.

	You obviously were ejumacated in the public school system.  ;o)  Our
founding fathers were ATHEIST, all of them!  Not one of them believed in god.

America's founding fathers were not Christian
http://www.sciforums.com/archive/59/2000/11/3/2490

The founding fathers views on religion - in their own words.
http://www.nofaith.org/a_founders.shtml

The Founding Fathers Were NOT Christians
http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/ffnc/

Founding Fathers Religious Comments
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0080qu

> Perhaps
> you have never heard the pledge of allegiance.

	Perhaps you didn't know that the pledge did NOT contain the word "god"
until the COLD WAR!  Perhaps you slept in school, because I too was taught in
the public school system, and I certainly _do_ remember them teaching this.

"The phrase "under God" was added in 1954 during the height of the cold war
against godless communism."
One Nation Under God We Trust
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lane/7250/thoughts/onenationundergodwetrust.html

"Congress would expressly endorse monotheistic religion during the Cold War by
putting ... that there is a "God" and that America is "one nation under God"
CBS News | One Nation, Under Law | June 27, 2002 06:59:29
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/06/27/news/opinion/courtwatch/main513567.shtml

> Thanks to the ignorance of people like yourself
> God was kicked out of our country so to speak.

	God was never IN our country.  The only person who has proven his
ignorance is of course, you.  You failed to study history, you frankly know
nothing, not of Science, nor of history, and you do _not_ live in reality!

> But don't you fret My Lord promised the victory
> over the sin f this world.
> You say Satan is not real read in Isaiah where
>   Lucifer (Satan) was thrown out of Heaven.
> You said  Lucifer meant enlightened one the
> boy don't sound intelligent to me.

	Look up the meaning of the word "Lucifer", it means "bringer of light"
or "enlightened one".  Lucifer in fact, represents anyone who refutes the belief
in god, because lucifer is `smarter than those who believe in gods'.

Lucifer (a Roman word) bringer of light, enlightenment.
http://www.vexen.co.uk/wiggy/pages/e.html

"Lucifer" the bringer of light
http://www.ladyoftheearth.com/religious/lucifer.txt

Most beloved angel the name of 'The Light Bringer' - Lucifer.
http://servantsofthelight.org/SOL/Archives/Articles/Evil_Devil_Lucifer.html

	Everything you say, 100% of what you say, I am able to easily refute,
and prove my point with web examples.  How can any one person be filled with so
much falsehoods and lies, and more so, DEFEND those falsehoods and lies?

James

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:33:03 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeff
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re: The Case Against Christ

Do you believe everything you read, I know
for a fact our forfathers knew the truth about our natin beig uilt on
God. You ittle stupid atheism
cant handle that.
for you info Lucifer was a angel of God who wanted to be above God. read
Isaiah if you are not to chicken. He was specifically named as the
fallen angel. You still did not answer my question how can you be
against something
that is not real. You are against Christ nd brother He is real.

I did not ay anyhing the Bible says it. You made a statemen tha you
miscalculated Your intelligent scoring you sr did it said 000000000.
God was in ou country you stupid iotic moronic fool. Most of the oes who
signed or declaration of Independence were chistian men so I dont care
what your little atheist site tells you.
Once again you are the one that has proven
your
mentality.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.
get the picture you sorry piece of trash.

2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 THEREFORE IF ANY MAN BE
IN CHRIST,HE IS A NEW CREATURE OLD THINGS
ARE PASSED AWAY, BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE
BECOME NEW.


Editor's note: Jeff is unwilling, or unable to accept historical facts,
               simply because they make him feel uncomfortable.  Not
               accepting the truth does not make it any less true.  The
               United States was founded by atheists and deists, and NOT
               by christians.  Truth is sometimes, not what you expect!


Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:46:17 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeff
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject:

please do me a favor make that dude an
apostle i would love to write him and tell him what kind of low life
stinking scum he is for
turning his back on the Lord that saved
him. that is if you have the balls to do so
you ignorant piece of dog waste

2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 THEREFORE IF ANY MAN BE
IN CHRIST,HE IS A NEW CREATURE OLD THINGS
ARE PASSED AWAY, BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE
BECOME NEW.

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:09:51 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeff
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject:

I feel spunky today let's have some fun.
You stated that we were not created we
just are. We just happened right? You may
be on to something. Have you ever heard the
cliche sh*t happens. You know they even come
out with a bumper sticker that says that. In a
way you would be correct because you are the biggest piece of crap that
ever walked the face
of this earth. Your also full of crap.
You said that you wished that christians would
have to denounce God before they were treated by the medical field or
sent home to pray to their God to heal them.
You remember when I told you Heaven was a
three fold reality. The first heaven being the atmosphere in which we
live, the second heaven being space, the third heaven being the
celestial place he has prepared for his believers. You failed to respond
by the way.
Here is what I wish. I wish all you atheist were
put in the middle of that second heaven called space where you could see
God's creation the moon, stars,etc, . You would have no contact with any
thing u would be begging to come back to this earth. And you would say I
believe Lord.
You expect a intelligent person like me to believe some atheist can know
that men who
lived 200 years ago or more were not christians. Your site you got that
from is just like you full of crap. I can still truthfully say my Jesus
still loves you.   There is still hope for you. I have spoken nothing
but the truth and you know it. Furthermore other christians will agree
like they already have but you probably will not post this because it
shows you for what you really are worthless.

2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 THEREFORE IF ANY MAN BE
IN CHRIST,HE IS A NEW CREATURE OLD THINGS
ARE PASSED AWAY, BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE
BECOME NEW.

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:05:40 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeff
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject:

You say that Satan is not real several of the
post in your Motherload have said he is and
they have come from your atheist friends.
I will say good for them at least they know
who is deceiving them.
May I again say the Bible calls Satan the prince
of darkness, the prince and principality of the air, and the God of this
world. After all somethinghas to be making you believe the crap you are
spreading.
But don't worry the Bible says be not afraid for I (Jesus) have overcome
the world.
Let me put this in a way that even a genius can
understand. Jesus in his death, burial, and
resurrection defeated your god (Satan) on the
cross. It is really cool to be intelligent like myself and must really
suck to be stupid like you. Post this unless you are afraid it will turn
your atheist buddies to Christ.
Jesus Lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quit trying to outwit me. You are no match
for a child of the one and only true King the
MAN CHRIST JESUS.

2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 THEREFORE IF ANY MAN BE
IN CHRIST,HE IS A NEW CREATURE OLD THINGS
ARE PASSED AWAY, BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE
BECOME NEW.


Editor's note: Jeff fails to understand the difference between atheists
               and satanists.  Satanists believe in god/satan, while
               atheists do not.  We, the Apostles at antichrist dot net
               are atheist, we do not believe in any deities.  Now as for
               being no match for his wit, I will let you, the reader, be
               the judge of that.  Decide on your own.  ;o)


Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:41:20 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeff
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Creation Science Evangelism

http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=articles&specific=10

2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 THEREFORE IF ANY MAN BE
IN CHRIST,HE IS A NEW CREATURE OLD THINGS
ARE PASSED AWAY, BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE
BECOME NEW.

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:54:14 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeff
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject:

hope you enjoy the page i sent. fnally a scientist with more sense than
you.
dont worry thre is more where that came from
toprove you stupid. told you  that you cant
outwit me . bye for now STUPID

2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 THEREFORE IF ANY MAN BE
IN CHRIST,HE IS A NEW CREATURE OLD THINGS
ARE PASSED AWAY, BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE
BECOME NEW.


Editor's note: I probably have more patience than some people deserve.
               Now to give you, the reader, something substantial...
               WHY SUPPORTERS OF EVOLUTION AND CREATION SCIENCE BELIEVE AS
               THEY DO and CREATION SCIENCE: IS IT REALLY A SCIENCE?  Now
               you have the tools to draw your OWN conclusions.


Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 18:54:34 +0500
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: y?


hi james, its farah.

i have studied ur website alot and the only point i still not get is what
makes you not to blieve in God? if there is no god than how did the
universe kome into being? how u were created?

who is behind everything???????

waiting for ur reply

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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:33:02 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeff
To: timothy@antichrist.net
Subject:

I saw your site and I just wanted to tell yo that you are so wrong.
There is a God and he loves
you even though you deny him. You will never
destroy his existence or his ord no matter how hard or who you get to
believe your stupidity.
I done put James inhis place he won't even bother anymore you want to
take a shot I am
ready bring it on.

2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 THEREFORE IF ANY MAN BE
IN CHRIST,HE IS A NEW CREATURE OLD THINGS
ARE PASSED AWAY, BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE
BECOME NEW.


Editor's note: Timothy has disconnected his email.  No further information
               is available.


Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 19:22:02 EST
To: haydn@antichrist.net
Subject: hello i feel you pain bout christians

hello i am just an ordinary man with simple dreams ......my dream is to have
a downfall of christian society. i believe that the bible was simply a scare
tactic that worked and continued too for certuries. i also believe that there
is no god/satan, heaven /hell is is simply to put in word just like santa.
but what pisses me off the most are "baptists" with their hypocracy and smug
comments they really suc what is going to make me lafe is when there so
called "savior" doesnt come that is going to make my day. also if you think
....christianity is alot like the nazi regime a movie called "left behind" is
in circulation and should be stop at all costs is is propoganda formed by
thse facist christian to make one have a "false" hope . but in closing thnk
you for your time and patience and please respond i love to have a reply from
you guys i tried "james" but he is overwelmed with hate mail

Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 01:31:23 +0500
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: plzzzzzzzzzzzzz do readdd my maill and plzzzzzzzzzzz do replyyy


 Hi James, my name is Farah. I am 21 years old girl. I don^Òt know
whether u r able to add my mail in ur website or if u r able to reply to
me but I m able to mail u .

Man^Òs beliefs are the foundations and prime motivators for actions.

 a non believer asked a muslim scholar:

if u r able to give answer of my questions i ll become muslim

he asked why do u believe in god even though u cannot se him

and how will devil be punished with fire , he is created from fire

so the scholar picked a piece of rock from ground and hit the non
believer

he cryed from pain

scholar  said this is the answer of both of ur questions

first u cannot see the pain but u believe there is pain

so God exists

and u r made up of mud

so u got hurt of the mud or not

so will the devil

God existed before u ,  b4 this universe.


 The true cause of the evils that beset mankind are disbelief, sinfulness
and ingratitude to God: ^ÓAnd whatever of misfortune befalls you, it is
because of what your hands have earned. And He pardons much^Ô

^ÓEvil has appeared on the land and sea, because of what your hands have
earned. That Allah may make them taste a part of that which they have
done, in order that they may return^Ô.


Now I come to ^ÓQuran and Science^Ô.


At the times when things were not known, Quran had given the information
about those things. Quran has everything that is known to humans now and
which are still to be known.

It leads to pure science.

When all is said and done, scientific knowledge seems, in spite of what
many people may say or think, to be highly conducive to reflection on the
existence of God.

Science has produced theories based on empirical evidence that leads to
statements about things which we can not see. An example of this is the
existence of protons, neutrons and electrons. The existence of these is
not disputed, even though they can not be seen, because their existence
is believed in on the basis of what is visible and observable. The
Qur^Òan explains the existence of unseen realities, and the fact of their
being unseen does not make them any less real.

Why Christians are leaving their own religion and have started not
believing the Bible? The reason is : the things mentioned in Bible are
proving wrong. Bible says that universe was created in six days while
science does not believe in this short period.

Quran says that universe was created in six days; in which 4 days are for
the earth and 2 days for the sky BUT In Quran it has been mentioned that
one-day on earth is equal to 50,000 years to God. So if we multiply 6
with 50,000, it becomes 300,000 years, which means that God created the
universe in 300,000 years, which are equal to 6 days according to the
time on earth.


look at the sky, it stands without the pillars. Look at the alternacy of
day and night, look at the clouds keeping tons of water in it but still
cloud doesn^Òt fall to the ground

Quran says: look at the skies

do u see any pillar supporting them?

Science has proved it true....   show me any ceiling which stands without
a support.   Physics proves it true with the manufacturing of ceiling fan

Science says that there are gases between two seas which keeps them
separate and so there waters don^Òt mix in each other. This has been
mentioned in Quran years ago, which has been proved true by the science
now.

the statement in the Qur^Òan that life has an aquatic origin ( ^ÓAnd I
created every living thing out of water^Ô Qur^Òan, 21:30 ).

In Quran, it has been said by God that He has created everything out of
water and it has also been proved true by science.

The Sun and Moon.the Bible talks of the sun and the moon as two lights
differing only in size, the Qur^Òan distinguishes between them by the use
of different terms: light (noor) for the moon, and lamp (siraaj) for the
sun.The moon is an inert body which reflects light, whereas the sun is a
celestial body in a state of permanent combustion producing both light
and heat.

Stars and PlanetsThe word ^Ñstar^Ò (najm) in the Qur^Òan ( 86:3 ) is
accompanied by the adjective thaaqib which indicates that it burns and
consumes itself as it pierces through the shadows of the night. It was
much later discovered that stars are heavenly bodies producing their own
light like the sun.

Conquest of SpaceAmong the achievements of modern science is the
^Óconquest^Ô of space which has resulted in mans journey to the moon. The
prediction of this event surely springs to mind when we read the chapter
ar-Rahmaan in the Qur^Òan.

Authority to travel in space can only come from the Creator of the laws
which govern movement and space. The whole of this Qur^Òanic chapter
invites humankind to recognize God^Òs beneficence.

Water Cycle the versus in the Qur^Òan that refer to the water cycle seem
to express ideas that are now totally self-evident. But if we consider
the ideas prevalent at that time, they appear to be based more on myth
and philosophical speculation than on observed fact, even though useful
practical knowledge on soil irrigation was current at that period.

Such notions seem quite natural to us today, but we should not forget
that, not so long ago, they were not prevalent. It was not until the
sixteenth century, with Bernard Palissy, that we gained the first
coherent description of the water cycle.

BotanyProgress in botany at the time of Muhammad (S) was not advanced
enough in any country for scientists to know that plants have both male
and female parts. Today we know that fruit comes from plants that have
sexual characteristics even when they come from unfertilized flowers,
like bananas

Physiology  . One thousand years before the discovery of the blood
circulatory system, and roughly thirteen centuries before it was
determined that the internal organs were nourished by the process of
digestive , a verse in the Qur^Òan described the source of the
constituents of milk, in conformity with scientific facts. This
biological process must be basically understood, if we are to understand
a verse in the Qur^Òan which has for many centuries given rise to
commentaries that were totally incomprehensible. This very precise
concept is the result of the discoveries made in the chemistry and
physiology of the digestive system over one thousand years after the time
of Prophet Muhammad (S).

ImplantationOnce the egg has been fertilized in the fallopian tube, it
descends to lodge itself inside the uterus. This process is called the
^Ñimplantation of the egg^Ò. Implantation is a result of the development
of villosities, which, like roots in the soil, draw nourishment from the
wall of the uterus and make the egg literally cling to the womb. The
process of implantation is appropriately described in several verses by
the word ^Ñalaq.

EmbryoThe evolution of the embryo inside the maternal uterus is only
briefly described, but the description is accurate, because the simple
words referring to it correspond exactly to fundamental stages in its
growth. This is what we read in a verse from the chapter al-Mu^Òminoon:

^ÓI fashioned the clinging entity into a chewed lump of flesh and I
fashioned the chewed flesh into bones and I clothed the bones with intact
flesh.^Ô Qur^Òan, 23:14

The term ^Ñchewed flesh^Ò (mudghah) corresponds exactly to the appearance
of the embryo at a certain stage in its development.

It is known that the bones develop inside this mass and that they are
then covered with muscle. This is the meaning of the term ^Ñintact
flesh^Ò (lahm).

The embryo passes through a stage where some parts are in proportion and
others out of proportion with what is later to become the individual.
This is the obvious meaning of a verse in the chapter al-Hajj, which
reads as follows:

^ÓI fashioned (humans) a clinging entity, then into a lump of flesh in
proportion and out of proportion.^Ô Qur^Òan, 22:5.

Next, we have a reference to the appearance of the senses and internal
organs in the chapter as-Sajdah:

^Ó... and (God) gave you ears, eyes and hearts.^Ô Qur^Òan, 32:9

Nothing here contradicts today^Òs data and, furthermore, none of the
mistaken ideas of the time have crept into the Qur^Òan. The most
fundamental stage in the history of embryology came in 1651 with
Harvey^Òs statement that ^Óall life initially comes from an egg^Ô. At
that time, when science had benefited greatly from the invention of the
microscope, people were still arguing about the respective roles of the
egg and spermatozoon. Buffon, the great naturalist, was one of those in
favor of the egg theory.Bonnet, on the other hand, supported the theory
of ^Ñthe ovaries of Eve^Ò, which stated that Eve, the mother of the human
race, was-supposed to have had inside her the seeds of all human beings
packed together one inside the other.

As the Qur^Òan states: "Indeed the religion before Allah is Islam" . . .
"Whoever wishes for a way of life other that Islam, never will it be
accepted from them and in the hereafter they will be amongst the losers"
(Surah Al Imraan 3:85)

Scientists are realizing now that the universe could not have come into
being without a Creator.

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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:17:54 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re: plzzzzzzzzzzzzz do readdd my maill and plzzzzzzzzzzz do replyyy

gôô©hëëë wrote:
>
> Scientists are realizing now that the universe could not have come into
> being without a Creator.

	First it is important to differentiate between religious belief and
Science.  While one can `believe' just about anything, scientific conclusions
are based on a rigorous process whereby hypotheses (ideas about how things
work) are posed and tested against observations.  This is usually based on an
empirical process of gathering observations or making measurements under a
known set of natural or experimental conditions.

	Religion involves acceptance on blind faith, for an established belief
system, things which can not be questioned and which are not subject to
revision or change.  Religion's operating principles are usually declared by
someone claiming to be of a higher authority, and the ideas of this so-called
`higher authority' are blindly accepted by the believer on the basis of faith
alone.  If one is having trouble with Science, the alternative is to define
another hypothesis and to test it by collecting additional observations.  If
one is having problems believing a religious tenet, the only alternative is to
abandon that system of belief, and study Science.  From these statements, it
should become obvious that Science and religion operate on a fundamentally
different basis, ergo, Scientists typically _do_not_ believe in creation.

James

Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 03:05:19 +0500
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re:



thankyou for the reply James but i still dont understand this antichrist
<. i mean how is it possible for one not to blieve in god?


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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:35:18 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re:

"gôô©hëëë goocheee" wrote:
>
> thankyou for the reply James but i still dont understand this antichrist <.
> i mean how is it possible for one not to blieve in god?

	How is it possible _TO_ believe in god(s)?

"I would love to believe that when I die I will live again, that some
thinking, feeling, remembering part of me will continue. But as much as I want
to believe that, and despite the ancient and worldwide cultural  traditions
that assert an afterlife, I know of nothing to suggest that it is more than
wishful thinking." -Carl Sagan

James

Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 19:15:22 -0500
From: Frederick-Fourth Apostle to the Antichrist <frederick@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re: The Case Against Christ (Not some floozy Chrisitan hate  mail)

At 10:24 PM 3/3/03 -0600, you wrote:
>To the three apostles, Haydn, Timothy, and Frederick,
>
>    Generally, I'm sure many people would start out with "calling
> yourselves apostles is blasphemy". However, I don't care, I think it's
> great what you guys are doing.


I am glad someone really appreciates the time we've invested into this
site.  If you have read through my site (Frederick) you will notice that it
is not entirely devoted to religion.  What really concerns me is the
promotion of applying illogical thinking to everything outside the realm of
the religious by religious fundamentalist groups.  I see no difference
between those who bomb abortion clinics and those who bombed the trade
center.  I don't care what god(s) they worship.  What appalls me is the
fact that people still commit atrocious acts in the name of an "all-loving"
god, period.  My main concern really is maintaining the separation between
church and state and the promotion of logic when adopting policies that our
country is to implement.  Originally, this site was a "performance work of
art" that outlived its original purpose.  However, the domain name is to
valuable to discard.  So, in the meantime it has been put to use as a more
serious forum.

>  At any rate, I am a member of a pentecostal youth group in Lathrop,
> Missouri. We are conducting a study on "The Case for Christ", a book
> meant to help us "defend our faith". However, I have really gotten tired
> of the whole dogma, because the book (though claiming to be perfectly
> open-minded in its investigation) was horridly biased, and gave little
> information supporting anti-christian points. I was wondering if perhaps
> the 3 of your could provide me with the scientific explanations on why
> you believe Christ did not exist.

First of all, we have to examine what you mean here by Christ in my
case.  I DO believe that a person named Jesus (actually likely pronounced
'Yeshuas', existed.  I have a friend who was raised Jewish and knows
Hebrew.  He says there is no phonetic equivalent for an American english
"J" as employed when pronouncing Jesus in Hebrew) that was convicted and
crucified under Roman law.  His Hebrew name was obviously Latinized, but
the mere lack of supporting historical works from the period other than the
New Testament, which is a REDACTION much like Norse mythology was handed
down word of mouth then recorded, is what makes me NOT believe he was the
Christ or "annointed one" of Hebrew legends.  Furthermore, I don't believe
modern urban legends.  Why should I believe one that is several thousand
years old?

>Our leader has elected we actually do a trial every Wednesday night.

It's funny that you wrote this.  Just the other night I was discussing with
James about electing a leader among the ranks of the Apostles to hold the
high office Antichrist for a six month term, as we are pro-democracy at
Antichrist.net.  hahaha.  We need a few more apostles to do this though.

>I, being the kind of person that questions everything that is commonly
>believed or taught, thus I was chosen to be the head prosecutor.

That questioning attitude is what James meant when he said that most people
are atheist by age 5-10.  It's an inborn proclivity for seeking truth that
forms atheists.  It can be honed as an adult, but the original tendency is
not something that would likely be taught.

>I've found only minimal amounts of information, but it seems to me the
>Christian world has ways of hiding things that are the truth. You three,
>being apostles of what is slowly convincing me to be the truth, can help
>me. You know why christianity is wrong, and can give me the answers.

My friend, I don't think I could give you any better reason besides what
you just stated as to why I don't like the Christian religion.  Also,
Christianity is not the only mass movement that has ways of hiding
truths.  Extrapolate that thinking and you will see much more what my
section of the site is about.  True concern for one's fellow human
(morality)  is driven by empathy.  It does NOT begin by blindly following
rules (10 commandments.)   I am of the opinion that children generally
possess the ability to do this at a young age (inherited trait),
too.  Although nurturing is required to have it mature.

>  Any information you could give me would be greatly appreciated. Much of
> this is so convincing that if fully converted to the faith of Science...
> I would be very interested in becoming an apostle. You would have the
> John to your James, as it were.
>
>       Thanks to all of you, looking forward to a reply,
>
>                                     John

I appreciate your sincere interest in our opinions.  Most people that write
are disgruntled youth or religious zealots who would stone us to death if
given the chance.  Your email has been refreshing.

Frederick - Fourth Apostle to the Antichrist


Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 18:27:17 -0600
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: From me = )

     Hi again.  I was thinking (contrary to popular beleif, I do that a lot)
and a question popped into my mind.  What *is* your full name?  You don't
need to answer me if you don't want to.  I was just wondering, bye!


     -Jason [removed] [removed]

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Editor's note: Anyone who is clever can deduce my full name from this
               website, all the information you need is contained herein.


Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:04:02 -0800
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: antichrist.net

What happened to that guy David from Las Vegas who put together the
original Antichrist.net site?  I used to visit it fairly regularly (back
in 97-98), and then he took it down, and then put up some kind of site
for his effects company in Vegas.  I kind of got the impression that the
original site was some kind of very elaborate joke with no punch line
after that.  I don't notice any references to David on the new site, is
he still involved with it?

Thanks,
    Mike


Editor's note: I make several references to David's final treatise, which
               is available here.  http://www.antichrist.net/david.html


Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 00:11:21 -0500
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: umm ok? LOL

You guys are such a joke! LOL  Why don't ya grow up a little, step out
into the "real world"
maybe read a few history books for a change,  and in general CHILL!
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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 06:48:47 -0600 (CST)
From: jeff
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re: Re:

Too sad your living in a fantasy world. My Bible
says we are to ask forgiveness for our sins.
Now if your saying you are perfect and don't sin
let me prove you wrong again. Have you ever lied? Have you ever stolen?
I could go on and on. According to the worlds standard your a
lying theif that dont sound like a good decent person to me. The only
thing wrong with the perfect world you poetray is that it doesn't exsist
and won't until Christ returns.
To learn the truth go to drdino.com if you
dare.

2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 THEREFORE IF ANY MAN BE
IN CHRIST,HE IS A NEW CREATURE OLD THINGS
ARE PASSED AWAY, BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE
BECOME NEW.

Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 06:53:10 -0600 (CST)
From: jeff
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject:

to sum it up in the words you hve used
whatever James you and your tabloid science.
whatever floats your boat i say I say your boat is going to crash and
burn one day.

2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 THEREFORE IF ANY MAN BE
IN CHRIST,HE IS A NEW CREATURE OLD THINGS
ARE PASSED AWAY, BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE
BECOME NEW.

Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 07:29:18 -0600 (CST)
From: jeff
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject:

if God is not real why are you atheist so
intimidated by him? If God is not real why
do you want christians to denounce him?
Did you know the world is only about 6000
years old not billions like science says.
did you know dinosaurs still exist,
drdino.com

2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 THEREFORE IF ANY MAN BE
IN CHRIST,HE IS A NEW CREATURE OLD THINGS
ARE PASSED AWAY, BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE
BECOME NEW.

Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:54:04 -0800 (PST)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: letter of concern

 hi, my name is omegastart this is a comment to amyie. i understand why
you believe that there is no God. You can't touch him and you can't see
him but have you ever thought about if there was a God.i know that you
don't believe in him but i do . I can't see him but i can feel him. When
i was depressed and i thought about killing myself he was the only one
that made me feel like i had something to live for. I don't know
what happened to you to make you not believe in God, but i will pray that
you change your mind. Even tho you don't believe in God i don't hate you
for it and i don't put you down for it, thats what you believe. We
are all entitled to our own options. I also hope that you don't look at
all Christians like a hippocrite because all are not. Love www.
omegastart.yahoo

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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:33:32 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
To: jeff
Subject: Re:

jeff wrote:
>
> Too sad your living in a fantasy world. My Bible
> says we are to ask forgiveness for our sins.

	My _conscience_ says, "Don't sin in the first place!"  Thus, if I keep
myself in check, and don't sin in the first place, I don't need forgiveness.

> Now if your saying you are perfect and don't sin
> let me prove you wrong again. Have you ever lied? Have you ever stolen?

	I am not without sin, I like to get drunk, and sometimes use illegal
drugs, however I am _very_ careful how I do these things so as not to hurt
others.  As you have seen, I am conscientious on this website, I am like that
in life as well.  I have lied, and I have stolen, but not since I was a young
child.  I learned the consequences of lying and stealing, thus I stopped.  I
didn't need a fictional boogie man (god's wrath) to scare me straight.

> I could go on and on. According to the worlds standard your a
> lying theif that dont sound like a good decent person to me.

	And what is your foundation for these claims?  I'd venture to say that
if `society' was asked to put it to a vote, they'd vote to keep me and not you.
It appears that while I actually do good works in this world, all you do is
spread your thought virus (christianity) and potentially make other people as
mentally sick as you.  This is not considered `good works' by most people.

> The only
> thing wrong with the perfect world you poetray is that it doesn't exsist
> and won't until Christ returns.

	It will exist if we truly _want_ it to.  However, it may require harsh
measures.  For example, the gardener weeds his garden, society must also `weed
the gene pool'.  It has been my observation (and I'm sure everyone reading this
message will agree from their own observations) that grade school bullies have
all grown up to be evil young adults.  The minor harm they performed as
children on the grade school playground INCREASED in severity with their age.
Some of the bullies I grew up with, I was able to keep track of.  As they
matured, the level of evil they performed increased until ultimately, they were
placed in prison.  Now, the Scientist (or even the gardener) would agree, that
if the children seen behaving like this at the grade school level were `removed
from society', be that by euthanasia or segregation (imprisonment) this world
WOULD be a much better place!  Remember folks, what I just said IS politically
incorrect, but you ARE quietly in agreement, don't you ever forget that!

	Also, keep in mind that there are only rare cases where someone is good
all their life, then suddenly turn evil.  In the overwhelming majority of
cases, the perpetrators of evil `have a rap sheet as long as your arm'.  These
records almost universally show that minor acts of evil escalate until the
perpetrator ends up in prison.  One could _easily_ design a protocol for
selecting early, these "bad seeds" prior to them committing those detrimental
and ofttimes violent acts upon the innocents which results in prison.

> To learn the truth go to drdino.com if you
> dare.

	I don't waste my time with pseudo-science.  This so-called `creation
science' is bunk, and has been proven to be bunk by Scientific methods.  See my
previous message to "gôô©hëëë" to understand the difference between the
protocols of religion and Science.

James

Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:26:13 -0800 (GMT)
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: hi there

I applaud you for your hate and contempt for the Christian faith. If I had
my way, I would have every Christian shot, starting with my own mother!
F*ck Jesus, the plague of mankind and all of his simple minded rotten
disgusting followers. If there is a God, he better not come back down to
this world or we will drag him through the desert with a Ford Bronco until
his lifeless corpse lays bleeding in the mud and then we can
simultaneously pee on him drowning him in our urine stinking filth! I am
the Antichrist and I don't give a s*it what the f*ck happens as long as
Christianity is snuffed out from the earth like the vile disease that it
is. Everyone I know is a f*cking Christian and I just grit my teeth and
bare it i silence. What else can I do? Just hearing some idiot say the
word God or Jesus or Jehova makes me want to pour a can of gasoline over
my head and light a cigarette, and I don't even smoke! I could go on, but
what's the point? We'll never get rid of those skum-sucking pig
Christians! I just wish that Anton Levey was still here to lead us into
our final damnation!

Thank you for everything,

VAPS

Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:17:33 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
To: jeff
Subject: Re:

jeff wrote:
>
> if God is not real why are you atheist so
> intimidated by him? If God is not real why
> do you want christians to denounce him?

	We denounce god(s) for the same reason you as an adult no longer
believe in, nor propagate the myth of Santa Clause.  An adult that believes in
Santa is silly to you, and you are embarrassed to think another adult human
being could be so silly.  That's how you christians appear to us.

> Did you know the world is only about 6000
> years old not billions like science says.

	Explain where lead came from then?  Uranium decays into lead, but only
after millions of years.  Radioactive decay is the principle method for gauging
the age of antiquities.  Radioactive decay is GOOD SCIENCE!

> did you know dinosaurs still exist,
> drdino.com

	Without reading that website, let me tell you what happened to the
dinosaurs.  The larger ones were made extinct, probably by a major meteoric
impact that caused massive global changes.  The smaller ones survived because
they could live off the decay of those who perished.  Scavengers that were in
existence back then are still around today, they were best suited to survive.
Examples are crocodiles, sharks, lizards, and so on.  Reptiles do not evolve
very fast because they have stable DNA, whereas man is the most evolving (you
can see major changes in human development in just the 150 years since
photography was invented).  The upside of this, man is the most evolved, and
the most intelligent.  The down side, man has the most complex DNA, and is
subject to cancers (mutations) at a much higher rate than reptiles.  Certain
subspecies of reptiles were able to mutate at a more rapid pace, and they
became the birds we see today.  So if you want to see what happened to the
dinosaurs, just look at any bird, the reptilian qualities are still present.

	Note; some pseudo-scientific evidence is shown that since sharks do not
ever get cancer, that eating their cartilage will somehow prevent cancer in man.
The reason why sharks don't get cancer (mutations) is due to the fact their DNA
is stable, and has not appreciably changed in millions of years.  Cancer (and
birth defects) are the price we pay for being the most evolved species.

James

Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 18:36:12 -0500
From: Tequila Mockingbird
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: That Jeff guy...

Hello James

Anyways... I keep looking through the Motherload 3 section, and obviously
the name Jeff keeps popping up repeatedly... and... just a few things to
say...

Does this guy have ANYTHING else to do? Everything he's saying is
incredibly redundant, yet he keeps stating the same things... over and
over... in many, many emails. Does he have a job, or something? It seems
that he spends all day trying to prove you that God is real... Kinda
sad...

Also, he seems to think that Christians will be on his side... I've seen
many emails from Christians at antichrist.net, and I think the majority
of non-death threads specifically state their disliking of people like
Jeff. Those who just say you're going to hell, and all that... Wouldn't
that imply that the majority of good christians aren't on Jeff's side? It
seems that they are more supportive of you!

And more on redundancy... Trying desperately to convince a webmaster of
something called antichrist.net that God is real is just plain
ridiculous... Quoting bible verses and insulting you and other atheists
is supposed to make you believe in God? Well, it's an INTERESTING
approach...

Anyways, Jeff seemed to want to get feedback on his blatherings, so I
though i'd oblidge!

Mike

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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 23:50:45 EST
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: (no subject)

I BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE SHOULD KEEP THERE BELIEFS AND OPINIONS TO THEM
SELF'S AND NOT FORCE ANY ONE TO BELIEVE WHAT THEY DO. THIS HAS BEEN THE
PROBLEM WHE HAVE HAD SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME. I THINK ATHEISTS ARE
JUST AS BAD AS CHRISTIANS IN TRYING TO JUDGE THE OTHER ONE. AND TRYING TO
CHANGE THE BELIEVES OF OTHERS I KNOW THAT IM ONLY 17 AND I DON'T REALLY
KNOW MUCH OF ALL THE BELIEFS OF BOTH CHRISTIANS  AND ATHEIST ALIKE. BUT I
BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE SHOULD FOLLOW THERE OWN PATH AND JUDGE FOR
themselves IN WHAT THEY HAVE DISCOVERED DURING THERE LIFE SPAN. NO ONE
REALLY KNOWS IF A GOD EXIST AND IT IS VERY HARD FOR ANY SIDE TO PROVE
WHETHER HE DOES OR DOESN'T EXIST. ITS BETTER NOT TO JUDGE ONE ANOTHER, OR
ATHEIST WIILL BECOME JUST AS BAD AS CHRISTIANS HAVE BEEN OVER THE PAST
HUNDREDS OF YEARS.
I THANK U FOR LISTENING TO ME

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 00:27:51 -0500 (EST)
To: haydn@antichrist.net
Subject: Your Foiled Propaganda!


This e-mail was originally meant for your first 'apostle' James, as I
would rather prefer it being forwarded.... as it pertains to his
comments of "The perfect respone to a Christian";


James = This is known as indoctrination technique, it is used by all
cults to attain new members.  Only religions which practice this
offensive technique of forcing their will upon others have survived (as
logically only those should) while benign religions which do NOT impose
their will under penalty of the sword, fear of suffering in some kind of
hell, or whatever have died out (as have the benign religions such as
the wiccans, and pagans).....

Legion = At least you are honest, and openly admit to your internet
propaganda, and use this very tactic to fuel your fire. The only part
that is indeed bothersome to many, is the recruiting of young kids.
This, in itself, is really not necessary.

James =  BTW, I do listen, and I do care, and I have been told that I am
"christ-like" by more than one person who knows me personally.  Unlike
you christians, I am free of hate, tho I do feel frustration
sometimes.  ;o)

Legion = If people consider you "Christ-like", and you do not object....
since you openly admit to 'caring', then how can you be an "antichrist"?
That's a contradiction, James. If you are disgusted with what the Romas
did to the Gospels, this is one thing....  but why do you deter young
kids from God? They cannot decipher what is right, nor what is wrong,
James.... and the only reason why they are interested, is because
society wants them to be. They think it's 'cool', which, to me, is
useless, even when you choose either way........

James = Prophecies are often subjective and misinterpreted.

Legion = Agreed

James = Miracles happen to me too, only I wonder at the amazing
properties of "life" not fictitious gods.

Legion = This ultimately depends on what your depiction of a 'God'
really is. You openly criticize the Christian church, and yet, you
always seem to categorize "God" from their translations. You must agree
that life is a little 'too' perfect to be started by nobody, as you
yourself admit to 'miracle happenings'.... that simply can't be
coincidental to you, could it?.

James = The bible speaks of a lot of things that make absolutely no
sense unless you go _way_ out on a limb with your "interpretations". 

Legion = Prophecy was spoken by people who could not decipher what they
had seen. They explained everything that they bore witness to the best
way they could.

James = Jules Verne prophesied in his fictional tales, with incredible
accuracy, how life would be today.  So did Arthur C. Clarke when he
wrote about global communications satellites WAY before sputnik was ever
launched. 

Legion = Anyone with common sense, and two eyes to see.... can predict
fragments of the future, as this is why the stock brokers of today get
paid what they do. If you ponder the future, based on the present, it
wouldn't be that hard, would it?

James = These men were visionaries, they were NOT gods. 

Legion = Nobody is claiming the disciples as Gods, if this is what your
are referring to....

James = The same may hold true, but to a far lesser extent for your
favorite work of fiction, the christian bible, tho it is poorly written.

Legion = Poorly written <smile>? I am surprised at you James! These men
were not out to win the pulitzer....

James = Pillars of smoke, rise into the heavens (what we now know to be
outer space)?  One interpretation could be nuclear bombs exploding. 
Another could be a forest fire which also produced pillars of smoke
rising high into the stratosphere, and along with it blood and death of
everything in its path.

Legion = The beauty of "Revelations", is that it is written in
uncertainty. You say that it is poorly written, but, has it ever occured
to you that it was written in this manner for a purpose?

James = Interpretation of scripture is subjective, and as all things
subjective, can be manipulated to suit ANY particular purpose,
especially if you ignore the parts that don't fit, and concentrate on
the parts that do.

Legion = Subjective? Did not all 'earthly' things in this world begin in
subjectivity?

James = If the EU forms a conjoined army, they will not call it the
"Roman" army, it will be the EU Army or something similar.

Legion = Speculation, or, as you would say..... subjective.

James = Did we have seismography back 300 years ago? 

Legion = Seismography? This is just terminology, James. It's always been
there, it was simply not a system.... until now of course, as is
everything, including religion.

James = Do you know why today people freak out over a few parts per
BILLION of lead in their water, when just 10 years ago it was
undetectable, because our technology at that point only could detect
down to parts per MILLION? 

Legion = Does this really concern you James? Understand, as I'm sure you
do, that nobody lives forever.... so why are you so concerned with the
preservation with something that is destined to die?

James = We detect more earthquakes as the equipment used to detect them
is improving year by year.  You are failing to understand the
Principia Scientia, as do all religionists.

Legion = No, it is you who fail to see that the true believers of the
'divine' (or God) are well versed in science. Just because you quote
Christians who are stuck in religious babble.... does not mean that
there are those of us who truly believe in Chirst that aren't fluent in
science. To quote a Christian scientist.... "Saying that there is no God
(or creator) is the most un-scientific thing a scientist could say"...

James = You only know of more terrorism because the "world has gotten
smaller" thanks to global communications. 

Legion = Wordly commerce, this indeed was well prophecised by St. John,
who, at that time..... had no idea what he was seeing.

James = When I was a kid, we knew nothing of the Soviet Union, but today
I see news from the Russian Federation daily (on the web).

Legion = The Soviet Union, as all other seperations of man.... are just
names. We all derived from somewhere, and someone, did we not? In the
beginning, people were of one country, Israel. Then, people broke up
into tribes. Now, the world is coming full circle. Television, and
Internet access, were also well prophecised by the book.

James = Just because we have access to more information does not mean
that terrorism, or warfare is any greater today than it always has been.

Legion = All it means, is that it is now a great deal easier to justify
war.

James = Again, prophecies are subjective, I'm sure I can interpret them
with equal accuracy to prove something completely different.

Legion = What isn't subjective?

James = The chip is not going to be embedded in the hand, where it can
be broken.  "The Chip" or "biochip" as some call it is not new. 
Biometric tags (as we scientists call them) have been around for years,

Legion = If you cannot see the prophecy in this, then you simply close
your eyes. This was written in 100 AD, when they didn't even have decent
farming tools. Just because the 'chip' is not new to you.... does not
mean that it shouldn't be 'new' to someone who lived in the first
century.

James = I began using them with laboratory animals in the early
1980's.  Back then however, they were much larger and only contained a
unique identifier (serial number).  Later they would give the ID
number, and the body temperature.  Today they can hold vast amounts of
information, including complete medical history.

Legion = When you come to understand what Revelations meant, you will
understand that the 'antichrist' can be deciphered as a country.... and
not just one man. "Those who do not bare the mark of the beast, will not
be allowed to work". Don't you see the logic in this?

James  The optimum place to insert a biometric tag in a human would be
in inner upper arm, just below the armpit of either arm.  Very little
direct impact (which could break the glass capsule) occurs in that part
of the body.  That will be where they will be implanted as that is
where implants are placed today (glass birth control implants for
example). In laboratory animals, we used the neck.

Legion = I'm sure most facilities will purposely avoid the hand and the
forehead..... for the simple fact of prophecy, so it shouldn't be a
surprise to people if they place it elsewhere. In the beginning, it will
be optional..... but after some self perpetuated attacks on its own
country.... it will be mandatory!

James = "God" said there was a flood, that covered all the mountain
tops.  Where did that water recede to?  If both polar ice caps were
to melt, the oceans would rise 28cm, hardly enough to get your feet
wet!  :o)  Again I point out, there are many provable falsehoods in
the bible.
Legion = Provable? Thats a laugh. Can you honestly prove America landing
on the moon.... when Neil Armsrong has admitted that he will go to jail
if he speaks of his experience to journalists? It's all propaganda. If
you want to question someone, why not question your own government.....
instead of focusing on things that mean very little.

James = Shame on you!  Wishing ill will upon others is wrong!  I
don't wish bad things upon YOU!

Legion = You wish 'ill will' on Jesus Christ, do you not? So shame on
you!

James = Why do you christians always ask your god to SMITE YOUR ENEMIES,
when we atheists (and antichrists) wish only that we all just get along!

Legion = Thats funny..... coming from someone who collaborates with
scientific propaganda that actually BUILD the weapons of mass
destruction, so we can all 'just get along'. You are the problem, not
religion. You hypocrite!

James = I don't wish ill upon you, but I do have pity for you and your
black heart.

Legion = Black heart? Christians despise you, because you despise Jesus.
Just as you despise Christians, because they despise self proclamation.
You are a hypocrite.

James = I hope someday atheism smiles upon you and brings you true love,
which comes from true knowledge and understanding of our Universe.

Legion = You know absolutely nothing of this universe, if you know
nothing of whence you came. Sadly, the only universe atheism leads
to.... is the outer darkness, and the abyss. Which, to you, will indeed
be home..... but to Christians (not atheists), it is hell. Hell is
simply being away from God, so in essence, you yourself are not going to
hell.... you are simply going home.

James = BTW, what does your deity jesus say about wishing ill upon
others?  Given that, I'll save you a place in hell, right next to
me.  ;o)

Legion = Jesus wants his fold (not you in particular, James) to love his
brother like his own. This excludes you.... because you don't know love,
you  only have love for this earthly (and perishable) life. This is what
seperates you from the Christians. Don't you see, James. These people
write to you, because they care (despite what they write)..... they are
bothered FOR you, not because of you.

James = The only thing that "shows the light" is people such as yourself
who work as unpaid recruitment officers for the industry known as
religion.

Legion = You are a hypocrite, as you do the very same thing to fuel your
own cause..... do you not?

James = Prove it.  As a Scientist, I am _forced_ to prove everything,
yet nobody is forced in religion to prove any of it is true (because it
can only be proven false, so they don't try).

Legion = Truth is based on feeling, and cannot be proven. You rely on
methods that are apart of U.S. propaganda, and have nothing better to
do, but to try to disprove things. For instance, why question why man
and female are truly in need (attraction) for one another..... why not
just enjoy the time you have to express it. The same goes for life....
rather than trying to disprove what Jesus was teaching, why not just
embellish on it.... which is indeed love. Do you not love anyone James,
or maybe just yourself.

James = If heaven (what we know today to be outer space) exists, then
prove it to me.

Legion = First prove that the earth circles the sun. Don't quote
anything from NASA, but I want to hear your experience of seeing this
for yourself..... or is NASA's word good enough for you, and the Bible's
isn't? Get my point?

James = What about the Sumarian god Christa that jesus was based upon
when he was created (as a fictional character in the new testament by
Calpernius Piso)? If Christa came first, wouldn't he be the more optimum
god to worship?

Legion = What is worship, and what is God.... when you understand what
these words really mean, you will understand who Jesus really was. You
yourself worship, and serve your president. Christians LOVE, and believe
in God. There's a difference James, but you cannot see it.... because
you are not supposed to......

James = You find logic in that statement, because I don't. 

Legion = Yes.... just as Christians find repose in Jesus Christ, when
you can't!

James = What does the big bang (a supernova beyond anything we've ever
witnessed in the galaxy) have to do with natural gas (a product of
bacterial decay of dead plant life)?

Legion = What have you yourself witnessed James, or are you speaking on
behalf of your predecessors?

James = We didn't evolve FROM monkeys, or more accurately, from APES. 
WE ARE APES!  Man is just another fork off the several species of apes
that exist.

Legion = That is histerical James, its a pity that apes cannot
rationalize. So, enlighten me.... how then have we almost reached
perfection, and they didn't? Did we have access to special bananas?

James = The DNA in the Orangutan is so close to our own, that they are
our closest cousins in the ape world. 

Legion = And yet, men can speak, and they cannot, why? If this DNA (as
you call it) is so close, then why so great the distinction?

James = WE forked away from what ever the Orangutan and Man both came
from (some other form of primate), and so did the gorilla, and the
chimpanzee.  We are all very much similar, right down to our DNA.

Legion = If it is important for you to believe this, more power to ya.
LOL

James = Yup, and so do you, the flat earth has hell below it.  Your
bible says so, go read it!  Galileo was jailed because he contradicted
the bible by saying the earth revolved around the sun, not the other way
around!  I bet you feel pretty stupid right now (or will you do like
most christians and reject the parts of the bible that disagree with
your ability to believe)?

Legion = Prove everything that you are reiterating, instead of quoting
things from others. You cannot prove one thing that you state.... as
neither can the Christians.

James = That is true, all scientific principles are subject to
scrutiny.  However, I subject your RELIGION to scrutiny, and you get
upset, why?

Legion = Christians get upset FOR you, not because of you..... get over
yourself, as your words are only important to the 14 year old crowd you
are drawing in, nobody else....

James = Or in my opinion 100% dead wrong, because I interpret it
differently.

Legion = You interpret it, the way your father interprets it. You derive
from those who refuse God, as its no coincidence that you find no place
in the light, because there is no light in you. You are sons of
perdition.... but again, this is indeed good for you, but not to
Christians. You find sanctuary in darkness, hey..... whatever floats
your boat, right?       

James = Heaven is not where it is supposed to be, outer space is.  Of
course the sand dwellers that invented the Sumarian religion upon which
christianity is based had no way of knowing that.  Islam explains the
stars as "lanterns".

Legion = Yeah, and the point here?

James = I did not become an atheist without careful consideration.  I
examined the bible, and deemed it to be false, it's as simple as that.

Legion = Nobody is questioning why you became an atheist..... the reason
for the overflowing amout of e-mails was known ahead of time by you. You
knew this would happen, so you are fooling nobody. You like the
attention, as you realize that Christians will give an arguement.... so
to help your site gain recognition.

James = But Science changes with the times, the bible does not!  The
Catholics teach NOT to use a condom, which causes the spread of AIDS. 
Speaking of which, doesn't disease prove there is no god?  What kind
of god would create disease to plague his pets (us)?

Legion = YOU ARE A FOOL, James! You call yourself a scientist, that is
BULLSH*T, and you have just proved it for me! As a scientist, it is WELL
known that ALL disease come from vitamin defficiencies, as there IS NO
Cancer and/or AIDS! B-17, the vitamin that your precious earthly realm
has BANNED, is the cure for these 'plagues' you speak of! YOU ARE A
HYPOCRITE!

James = SCIENCE doesn't retract it, the FDA does!  One is founded upon
truth, the other is funded by campaign contributions.  If you give the
government enough money, the FDA will approve mercury as a dietary
supplement!

Legion = No, really? Money is the root to all evil, but I guess you
disagree with this, since it's found in the Bible that is.....

James = Drink what you require, just like any other animal on the
planet.  Drink water when you're thirsty, forcing water upon yourself
CAN'T be good!  You don't see any OTHER animal on earth drinking water
in excess.

Legion = True, but you also don't see every other animal consuming FAST
FOOD each and every day of the year! Water flushes the body..... you
should know this, being a scientist and all.

James = My philosophy is to eat when I'm hungry, drink water when I'm
thirsty, and so on.

Legion = Your philosophy is contradicting in nature, and is only good
for you..... as you are the only one who chooses to understand it. If
Christians believe in God, then why argue this? Why start a site devoted
to this..... if you "Eat when your hungry, drink when your thirsty.....
and so on". Why the passion with atheism? Why not just be? Why not
simply shut down? Because you are an opportunist, thats why.....

James = I am a professional research Scientist.  We have a term for
this, it's called "spontaneous remission".

Legion = Stop lying to your little audience, as you are nothing but a
wannabe scientist. Doctors use that term to explain Cancer
remission..... not scientists!

James = From my research with rats, one out of 10 controls (who receive
NO TREATMENT for the cancers they have) will spontaneously "heal" from
the cancer.  One could say two things, that 1 in 10 will get lucky and
the body will find a way to defeat the cancer, or god loves only 1 out
of 10 albino sprague dawley lab rats who are dying of cancer.
       
Legion = Rats huh? LMAO

James = Until you can show me a 100% cure rate with prayer, I'll reject
it.

Legion = You do not live forever James, accept it..... as everyone dies
from something! Cancer, old age..... and even boredom (in which I'm
about to die of right now in writing this e-mail).

James = And religion does not, it claims to be flawless, and
unquestionable!

Legion = Typical wannabe perfectionist! Are you implying that Science as
we know it can't be questioned...... when it changes DAILY????

James = Prayer = psychotherapy.  Happy thoughts can cure disease as
well as religion.  The body responds to the mind, thus depression
causes illness, and conversely, happiness causes health.

Legion = Science = ignorance! You believe what you are told, just as the
Christians do. You cannot prove any of it, its all here-say! NASA has
all the answers don't they..... its a pity they still can't figure out
how to keep a ship from crashing into the earth! My God..... how far
they've come! NASA = Need Another Seven Astronauts (why not try out,
James)?

Take Care......

(Apologies for any mistakes in grammar, way too tired to go back and
check)......

"Legion" of God's Angels


Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 00:27:46 -0600 (CST)
From: jeff
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re: Re:

I finally realize the world in which you live.
Actually it is more like a state the state of
confusion.
First you say you don't sin then you say you
are not without sin. You just stated a very
important fact probably the most truthful one
you have stated since our chats. The Bible
sates we are not without sin  good job.
What does Santa Claus have to do as to why
you are intimidated by God. You gonna say
you never believed in Santa has a child bet you
didn't think it was silly. You know what is beyond silly thnking that
Julius Caesar was
Jesus Christ.
You talk about christianity as a crutch and
christians not exhibiting a high mentality  I
would not go around claiming to have mental
capabilities and say there was no God.
The reason you say drdino.com is bunk is
because he knows more than you. The man use to  be atheist until he
realized how wrong he was. You dont like it because you are afraid to be
proven wrong

2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 THEREFORE IF ANY MAN BE
IN CHRIST,HE IS A NEW CREATURE OLD THINGS
ARE PASSED AWAY, BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE
BECOME NEW.

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:10:53 -0600 (CST)
To: webmaster@antichrist.net
Subject: forever

what is a man? that he thinks he knows? for a  man's mind is but a
polygon and infinity is the circle no matter how many sides the polygon
has it will never become a circle.

     Infinity is just on the othe rside of the vanishing point of your
vision. It is not seen but experienced, it is the step out on the water.
Infinity is the new place that is forever new, that can only be reached
from looking inside yourself.

       who are you; The Void, or The Light.

    Salem

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:44:22 -0500
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Listen up

You really have no right calling Christians idiots first off, you said
you don't hate, then why are you cutting down the people that don't want
to be burning in an eternal flame forever. When I came across your
website me and my brother were simply looking for random websites and
decided to type in your address as a joke. If you want to go to hell so
bad why don't you kill yourself and take both me and you out of your so
called "miserable life." Go ahead post this up on your idiots Christians
page, oh yeah I forgot you wouldn't and won't because you know that I'm
smarter than your God-free mind and that this would put the faith of God
into all of your physcos that come to your website. I can't believe that
you are hating on the creator that made you, its simply unbelievable. I'm
just going to point and laugh at you when you're enjoying your eternal
damnation in Hell. And notice, yes I'm a nice person, I didn't cuss you,
I tried to help you out and try to make you stop making yourself look
like a complete blind fool. It seems like your whole point of life is to
be depressed, like with the music on your homepage, its trying to sound
all sad and stuff. I bet if I really got to know you I would disapprove
of you even more and realize that you really don't have that much to
complain about. You're the kind of kids that go to my school that are
gothic and stuff and act all depressed when they really live in like a
$10,000,000 mansion. I know you're not too bad off, or otherwise you
wouldn't have a website with no pop-up ads or banner ads on it. You must
have a lot of money to invest in turning yourself into a freak. And I
read that message that girl named Danielle sent you, I honestly believe
that if she took a step back and realized that the Bible doesn't
contridict itself then she would understand where everything is coming
from. And the comment on Adamn and Eve, my answer to that is if that
didn't happen then what do you think happened? We evolved? Even if we did
we had to be created in the first place even if we were just some
organizm that was microscopic. Who made that? The answer would be and
always will be God. You're looking tough and bad when you say you don't
believe in God, you're only looking idiotic. So do me and yourself a
favor, stop with the "Screw the world" image. It might work with your
mother and father, or maybe even your girlfriend if you're lucky enough
to have one. But I'm above that, it doesn't work for me. No one has it
bad enough to lose faith in God. I don't hate you, hate is against God's
law, however I do know for a fact you're going to rot in Hell for the
rest of eternity. So do us all and a favor and kill yourself now, you can
be the antichrist you always wanted to be if you do. Have fun. And I know
for a fact you won't put this email on your website because it proves you
wrong too much. Please write back I'd love to hear your comments. God
bless and hopefully have mercry on your soul. Peace.

-DL aka JTrig

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:36:36 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re: Your Foiled Propaganda!

Legion wrote:
>
> This e-mail was originally meant for your first 'apostle' James, as I
> would rather prefer it being forwarded.... as it pertains to his
> comments of "The perfect respone to a Christian";
>
> James = This is known as indoctrination technique, it is used by all
> cults to attain new members
>
> Legion = At least you are honest, and openly admit to your internet
> propaganda, and use this very tactic to fuel your fire. The only part
> that is indeed bothersome to many, is the recruiting of young kids.
> This, in itself, is really not necessary.

	You missed my point, indoctrination technique is not used by me,
nowhere on my website do you see my threats that you will burn in hell (except
from the christians directed towards ME) or that any ill will come to you
UNLESS you accept Science as you personal savior.  Of course, this is true,
because if you become ill due to infection you will often REQUIRE Science to be
your savior (antibiotics and the like) but I don't use it as a threat.  I only
propose the logical hypothesis that there is no indication that gods are
anything more than the work of man, and of mans fantasies.

> James =  BTW, I do listen, and I do care, and I have been told that I am
> "christ-like" by more than one person
>
> Legion = If people consider you "Christ-like", and you do not object....
> since you openly admit to 'caring', then how can you be an "antichrist"?

	I am an antichrist because the bible in 1John4:3 says I am.  This is
the term that the christians know me by.  Personally, I prefer "atheist".

> That's a contradiction, James.

	I may be christ-like (similar to the persona) but I am antichrist
because of the aforementioned bible passage.  I'm sorry you don't understand.

> If you are disgusted with what the Romas
> did to the Gospels, this is one thing....  but why do you deter young
> kids from God?

	I try to encourage the use and application of Science.  The byproduct
of which is skepticism, and the loss of the belief in things that are not real
(such as gods, demons, elves, fairies, sprites, witches, monsters, and so
forth).

> They cannot decipher what is right, nor what is wrong,
> James.... and the only reason why they are interested, is because
> society wants them to be. They think it's 'cool', which, to me, is
> useless, even when you choose either way........

	You should give children more credit, I do.  They are obviously capable
of far more than you assume they are.  ;o)

> James = Miracles happen to me too, only I wonder at the amazing
> properties of "life" not fictitious gods.
>
> Legion = This ultimately depends on what your depiction of a 'God'
> really is. You openly criticize the Christian church, and yet, you
> always seem to categorize "God" from their translations. You must agree
> that life is a little 'too' perfect to be started by nobody, as you
> yourself admit to 'miracle happenings'.... that simply can't be
> coincidental to you, could it?.

	It's a little too simplistic to say that everything YOU don't fully
understand is the `work of gods'.  The "god" I translate is the most common god
of the visitors to my site (the christian god).  I have studied many gods, not
all five thousand known in historical documents, but many of them.  It would be
pointless to argue the fallacy of Zeus in a predominantly christian society.

> James = The bible speaks of a lot of things that make absolutely no
> sense unless you go _way_ out on a limb with your "interpretations".
>
> Legion = Prophecy was spoken by people who could not decipher what they
> had seen. They explained everything that they bore witness to the best
> way they could.

	They were hallucinating, either on drugs, or because they were
schizophrenic.  Indications are, based upon what I've read, the bible prophets
were _all_ schizophrenics.  Since schizophrenia was not understood in that
time, the normals assumed they really were talking to god.  Charley manson
"channels god" all the time, but today _we_ don't accept that as truth.  So in
conclusion, the indications are that characters like moses were simply schizoids.

> James = Do you know why today people freak out over a few parts per
> BILLION of lead in their water, when just 10 years ago it was
> undetectable, because our technology at that point only could detect
> down to parts per MILLION?
>
> Legion = Does this really concern you James? Understand, as I'm sure you
> do, that nobody lives forever.... so why are you so concerned with the
> preservation with something that is destined to die?

	Woosh!  My point flew completely over your head!  I was pointing out
that when lead could only be detected down to parts per million, the water
`contained no lead' whereas today, detecting down to parts per BILLION, the
water most assuredly has for example 100 ppb of lead.  People assume it wasn't
there before, and that when the ability to detect it came about, SUDDENLY IT
APPEARED.  The original message made point that we are having more earthquakes
today, my point is that we are able to detect better WHAT WAS ALWAYS THERE.

> James = We detect more earthquakes as the equipment used to detect them
> is improving year by year.  You are failing to understand the
> Principia Scientia, as do all religionists.
>
> Legion = No, it is you who fail to see that the true believers of the
> 'divine' (or God) are well versed in science. Just because you quote
> Christians who are stuck in religious babble.... does not mean that
> there are those of us who truly believe in Chirst that aren't fluent in
> science. To quote a Christian scientist.... "Saying that there is no God
> (or creator) is the most un-scientific thing a scientist could say"...

	Saying that there IS is also the most un-scientific thing you could
say.  The proper Scientist (myself included) simply says this.  There is
absolutely no evidence or indication that god(s) are anything more than fantasy.

> James = When I was a kid, we knew nothing of the Soviet Union, but today
> I see news from the Russian Federation daily (on the web).
>
> Legion = The Soviet Union, as all other seperations of man.... are just
> names. We all derived from somewhere, and someone, did we not? In the
> beginning, people were of one country, Israel. Then, people broke up
> into tribes. Now, the world is coming full circle. Television, and
> Internet access, were also well prophecised by the book.

	If there was only one tribe, Israel, where did the Chinese come from
then?  They have recorded history going back thousands of years BEFORE the
middle eastern religions, and they record NONE of the things the bible shows
(such as the flood of the earth which would have surely wiped them out).
Legion, you seem like an intelligent fellow, this fact alone proves the bible
is fiction, don't you agree?

> James = The chip is not going to be embedded in the hand, where it can
> be broken.  "The Chip" or "biochip" as some call it is not new.
> Biometric tags (as we scientists call them) have been around for years,
>
> Legion = If you cannot see the prophecy in this, then you simply close
> your eyes. This was written in 100 AD, when they didn't even have decent
> farming tools. Just because the 'chip' is not new to you.... does not
> mean that it shouldn't be 'new' to someone who lived in the first
> century.

	The mark was in the hand or the forehead.  They branded slaves back
then you know.  I bet that's the actual reference.  Nothing in the bible describes
electronically scannable biochips unless you LIBERALLY interpret the bible.

> James = I began using them with laboratory animals in the early
> 1980's.  Back then however, they were much larger and only contained a
> unique identifier (serial number).  Later they would give the ID
> number, and the body temperature.  Today they can hold vast amounts of
> information, including complete medical history.
>
> Legion = When you come to understand what Revelations meant, you will
> understand that the 'antichrist' can be deciphered as a country.... and
> not just one man. "Those who do not bare the mark of the beast, will not
> be allowed to work". Don't you see the logic in this?

	Ok, without a social security number, you can NOT WORK!  The mark of
the beast is already with us by your definition (not the biochip).  Why aren't
people freaking out about the social security card then?

> James  The optimum place to insert a biometric tag in a human would be
> in inner upper arm, just below the armpit of either arm.
>
> Legion = I'm sure most facilities will purposely avoid the hand and the
> forehead..... for the simple fact of prophecy, so it shouldn't be a
> surprise to people if they place it elsewhere.

	In the hand it will be subject to breakage.  In the forehead it will
cause an ugly scar-like bump under the skin, also subject to breakage.  The
only practical spot for the chip is in the inner upper arm or groin areas.  The
insertion point _needs_ to be the area least subject to physical trauma.
Unless you can guarantee noboby will ever bump their forehead or smack their
hand, you are illogical in your reasonings why it will not be placed there.

> In the beginning, it will
> be optional..... but after some self perpetuated attacks on its own
> country.... it will be mandatory!

	I agree the occupational government here in the USA wants to tag and
control us, I'm totally in agreement with you on that.  HOWEVER, you must
remember that the more complicated they make the security systems, the easier
it becomes to defeat them.  So when they implant a chip in me, I'll take it
back out, and figure out how it works, build a pocket sized replacement chip
device that gives out bogus information (perhaps the ID of a federal agent with
massive clearance) and be left alone by the federalis.  What YOU do is up to
you.  I suppose you're already aware of Patriot act II which will strip our
final remaining Constitutional rights, making us totally PROPERTY OF THE NEW
WORLD ORDER and subject to arrest and detention on suspicion alone and
subject to imprisonment without trial.

> James = "God" said there was a flood, that covered all the mountain
> tops.  Where did that water recede to?  If both polar ice caps were
> to melt, the oceans would rise 28cm, hardly enough to get your feet
> wet!  :o)  Again I point out, there are many provable falsehoods in
> the bible.
>
> Legion = Provable? Thats a laugh. Can you honestly prove America landing
> on the moon.... when Neil Armsrong has admitted that he will go to jail
> if he speaks of his experience to journalists? It's all propaganda. If
> you want to question someone, why not question your own government.....
> instead of focusing on things that mean very little.

	If we had NOT landed on the moon, the Russians would be very vocal
about it, and prove us to be fakers.  I personally pinged a 532nm YAG laser off
the retroreflector placed there by Apollo 11, so I have my proof.  I pointed
out earlier about the Chinese, not mentioned in the bible, existing and
recording history for thousands of years BEFORE the purported flood.  They
record no such flood.  They also record no such god as the middle-eastern one.

	Now as for the paradox with Armstrong.  Perhaps this is the scenario.
Perhaps he stayed home and three `expendable' men went to the moon, and if they
were killed a _fake_ moon landing would ensue.  That would explain the people
who said they made a fake moon base in a sound studio, and the weird way the
astronauts behave when directly asked questions.  Were my nations reputation on
the line, with the whole world watching, I think I would have had a back-up
plan myself, thus I believe this may be the actual events.

> James = Shame on you!  Wishing ill will upon others is wrong!  I
> don't wish bad things upon YOU!
>
> Legion = You wish 'ill will' on Jesus Christ, do you not? So shame on
> you!

	Jesus never existed, he was invented by Calpernius Piso.  Find one
place on my website where I wish ill upon that which does not exist?  You will
not.  You _assume_ by the domain name and the images on the site that I wish
ill upon that which does not and has never existed (jesus) but that's merely an
assumption.  Read more of the site, see that I am correct.  I defy you to find
ONE PLACE where I wish ill upon the character named jesus.

> James = Why do you christians always ask your god to SMITE YOUR ENEMIES,
> when we atheists (and antichrists) wish only that we all just get along!
>
> Legion = Thats funny..... coming from someone who collaborates with
> scientific propaganda that actually BUILD the weapons of mass
> destruction, so we can all 'just get along'. You are the problem, not
> religion. You hypocrite!

	I don't build weapons, as I mentioned earlier, one of the things I
build are adaptive technologies for the blind.  Not every Scientist is evil,
only a very small percentage build weapons of mass destruction, just as only a
small percentage of christians kill and eat people like the christian Dahmer did.

> James = I don't wish ill upon you, but I do have pity for you and your
> black heart.
>
> Legion = Black heart? Christians despise you, because you despise Jesus.

	I don't despise that which is not real.  Gods and jesus are myth.  The
story of jesus was plagiarized by Piso from the much older Persian religion
known as mithraism.  http://www.geocities.com/spenta_mainyu_2/mithras.htm

> Just as you despise Christians, because they despise self proclamation.
> You are a hypocrite.

	No, I am not a hypocrite, however _you_ are a fool.  :o)

> James = I hope someday atheism smiles upon you and brings you true love,
> which comes from true knowledge and understanding of our Universe.
>
> Legion = You know absolutely nothing of this universe, if you know
> nothing of whence you came. Sadly, the only universe atheism leads
> to.... is the outer darkness, and the abyss.

	Death is the ultimate goal of all of us.  The final moments may be made
more comfortable with the belief you will be transported magically to heaven,
however there is no indication that heaven is anything more than wishful thinking.

> Which, to you, will indeed
> be home..... but to Christians (not atheists), it is hell. Hell is
> simply being away from God, so in essence, you yourself are not going to
> hell.... you are simply going home.

	I will cease consciousness, I will be dead, I will go nowhere.

> James = BTW, what does your deity jesus say about wishing ill upon
> others?  Given that, I'll save you a place in hell, right next to
> me.  ;o)
>
> Legion = Jesus wants his fold (not you in particular, James) to love his
> brother like his own. This excludes you.... because you don't know love,

	I would never follow gods who command me with threats and reward me
with treats like a f*cking dog.  In fact, if gods really WERE real, I'd
probably hunt them down and kill them, for the very same reasons Roy killed his
creator in the movie Bladerunner.

> you  only have love for this earthly (and perishable) life. This is what
> seperates you from the Christians. Don't you see, James. These people
> write to you, because they care (despite what they write)..... they are
> bothered FOR you, not because of you.

	You are wasting the ONLY life you will ever have in the belief that you
will get something later that will never come.  You sir are a fool.  The reason
why they write to me is NOT because they care, but because the thought virus
infecting their mind is SELF-PROPAGATING, in that they MUST spread the
`disease' to others.  Piso wrote the virus to work that way, so that Rome would
always have an ample supply of slaves who would remain as loyal servants.

> James = The only thing that "shows the light" is people such as yourself
> who work as unpaid recruitment officers for the industry known as
> religion.
>
> Legion = You are a hypocrite, as you do the very same thing to fuel your
> own cause..... do you not?

	I do not.  I do not recruit atheists, I offer them only bleak sadness,
confusion, a little truth, and DEATH.  If they come, it's of their own
choosing.  Most people take the christian falsehoods of perpetual happiness,
all the answers (in one book, the bible), total truth (the lies in the bible)
and eternal life (another lie found in the bible).  People are weak, they
accept the lie because the truth is too horrible to stomach.  Life is moot, if
you can't handle this, then join a church.  ;o)

> James = Prove it.  As a Scientist, I am _forced_ to prove everything,
> yet nobody is forced in religion to prove any of it is true (because it
> can only be proven false, so they don't try).
>
> Legion = Truth is based on feeling, and cannot be proven.

	Try THAT one in a court of law!  ;o)  You are so silly.

> You rely on
> methods that are apart of U.S. propaganda, and have nothing better to
> do, but to try to disprove things. For instance, why question why man
> and female are truly in need (attraction) for one another..... why not
> just enjoy the time you have to express it.

	Mammals formed that way, worms are asexual.  Were we asexual, our
religious texts would reflect that as gods divine plan.  Evolution demands
diversity of genetics, and sexual reproduction is the way nature does it.

> The same goes for life....
> rather than trying to disprove what Jesus was teaching, why not just
> embellish on it.... which is indeed love. Do you not love anyone James,
> or maybe just yourself.

	Knowledge is torment (ignorance is bliss).  However, I was born with a
freakishly high IQ, so I'm stuck in the world of torment, so be it.  The
benefits DO outweigh the costs, but the price IS high.

> James = If heaven (what we know today to be outer space) exists, then
> prove it to me.
>
> Legion = First prove that the earth circles the sun. Don't quote
> anything from NASA, but I want to hear your experience of seeing this
> for yourself..... or is NASA's word good enough for you, and the Bible's
> isn't? Get my point?

	Galileo didn't go into space to "see" this, he proved it with
mathematics (trigonometry).  He was jailed for contradicting the bible.  Man
you sure are stupid Legion.  Perhaps that's why you champion a religion instead
of championing Science the way I do.  :o)  One needs Acumen to be a Scientist.

> James = You find logic in that statement, because I don't.
>
> Legion = Yes.... just as Christians find repose in Jesus Christ, when
> you can't!

	So jesus = teddy bear?  False, but comforting?

> James = We didn't evolve FROM monkeys, or more accurately, from APES.
> WE ARE APES!  Man is just another fork off the several species of apes
> that exist.
>
> Legion = That is histerical James, its a pity that apes cannot
> rationalize. So, enlighten me.... how then have we almost reached
> perfection, and they didn't? Did we have access to special bananas?

	Our DNA is more mutant than theirs, so we became what we are today.
Also, because we are more mutant, we are also more subject to cancer (1 in 10
get it) and birth defects than the animals with more stable DNA.  We are just a
fluke, the fact that a mostly hairless ape survives as we do is amazing in itself!

> James = The DNA in the Orangutan is so close to our own, that they are
> our closest cousins in the ape world.
>
> Legion = And yet, men can speak, and they cannot, why? If this DNA (as
> you call it) is so close, then why so great the distinction?

	They speak as well as a retarded human using sign language, so I guess
I just made you look foolish, sorry.  ;o)  I've watched Coco the gorilla say
"me go out" and "my kitty" which is equal to that of a tard.  And after
watching the behaviors (and facial features) of gorillas and negroes, I'd say
we are closer than you think!

> James = WE forked away from what ever the Orangutan and Man both came
> from (some other form of primate), and so did the gorilla, and the
> chimpanzee.  We are all very much similar, right down to our DNA.
>
> Legion = If it is important for you to believe this, more power to ya.
> LOL

	I don't believe, I accept it as truth.  If you don't, then you just
confirmed that ignorance is bliss and you choose happiness over truth.

> James = That is true, all scientific principles are subject to
> scrutiny.  However, I subject your RELIGION to scrutiny, and you get
> upset, why?
>
> Legion = Christians get upset FOR you, not because of you..... get over
> yourself, as your words are only important to the 14 year old crowd you
> are drawing in, nobody else....

	The `14 year old atheist' came to me AS an atheist.  I was atheist at
the age of 10.  Those capable (intelligent) are atheist, the rest pick a god
and go with the crowd.

> James = Or in my opinion 100% dead wrong, because I interpret it
> differently.
>
> Legion = You interpret it, the way your father interprets it. You derive
> from those who refuse God, as its no coincidence that you find no place
> in the light, because there is no light in you. You are sons of
> perdition.... but again, this is indeed good for you, but not to
> Christians. You find sanctuary in darkness, hey..... whatever floats
> your boat, right?

	I don't want my sanctuary to be darkness, or my future (death) to be
bleak, it just is, so I must learn to accept it.  I will NOT accept a white lie
(heaven) to make life more comfortable and my future artificially sweet.

> James = Heaven is not where it is supposed to be, outer space is.  Of
> course the sand dwellers that invented the Sumarian religion upon which
> christianity is based had no way of knowing that.  Islam explains the
> stars as "lanterns".
>
> Legion = Yeah, and the point here?

	The point is, religions are false, fictional, made up stories.  Period.

> James = I did not become an atheist without careful consideration.  I
> examined the bible, and deemed it to be false, it's as simple as that.
>
> Legion = Nobody is questioning why you became an atheist..... the reason
> for the overflowing amout of e-mails was known ahead of time by you. You
> knew this would happen, so you are fooling nobody. You like the
> attention, as you realize that Christians will give an arguement.... so
> to help your site gain recognition.

	No, I have better things to do with my time, but I try to be true to my
word and I said I'd answer everybody and I do, within reason.

> James = But Science changes with the times, the bible does not!  The
> Catholics teach NOT to use a condom, which causes the spread of AIDS.
> Speaking of which, doesn't disease prove there is no god?  What kind
> of god would create disease to plague his pets (us)?
>
> Legion = YOU ARE A FOOL, James! You call yourself a scientist, that is
> BULLSH*T, and you have just proved it for me! As a scientist, it is WELL
> known that ALL disease come from vitamin defficiencies, as there IS NO
> Cancer and/or AIDS! B-17, the vitamin that your precious earthly realm
> has BANNED, is the cure for these 'plagues' you speak of! YOU ARE A
> HYPOCRITE!

	Wow, look who just proved himself a fool.  Viruses are REAL, and if you
don't believe me, take your vitamins and inject yourself with aids contaminated
blood.  I bet you won't because deep inside YOU KNOW I AM RIGHT!

	All disease is caused by a failure of our autonomic immune system.
Once man figures out a way to custom program our own immune systems, disease
WILL become a thing of the past!

> James = SCIENCE doesn't retract it, the FDA does!  One is founded upon
> truth, the other is funded by campaign contributions.  If you give the
> government enough money, the FDA will approve mercury as a dietary
> supplement!
>
> Legion = No, really? Money is the root to all evil, but I guess you
> disagree with this, since it's found in the Bible that is.....

	No, I agree with it.  I hate money as much as I hate the greedy.

> James = Drink what you require, just like any other animal on the
> planet.  Drink water when you're thirsty, forcing water upon yourself
> CAN'T be good!  You don't see any OTHER animal on earth drinking water
> in excess.
>
> Legion = True, but you also don't see every other animal consuming FAST
> FOOD each and every day of the year! Water flushes the body..... you
> should know this, being a scientist and all.

	I don't eat junk, if you do, that's your choice.  So as a Scientist I
will agree with you, if you voluntarily take toxins into your body (and who
knows why anyone would) then chelation is the cure, flush it out with water.

> James = My philosophy is to eat when I'm hungry, drink water when I'm
> thirsty, and so on.
>
> Legion = Your philosophy is contradicting in nature, and is only good
> for you..... as you are the only one who chooses to understand it. If
> Christians believe in God, then why argue this? Why start a site devoted
> to this..... if you "Eat when your hungry, drink when your thirsty.....
> and so on". Why the passion with atheism? Why not just be? Why not
> simply shut down? Because you are an opportunist, thats why.....

	No, I am a Performance Artist, and you just walked into my trap!

> James = I am a professional research Scientist.  We have a term for
> this, it's called "spontaneous remission".
>
> Legion = Stop lying to your little audience, as you are nothing but a
> wannabe scientist. Doctors use that term to explain Cancer
> remission..... not scientists!

	You are ignorant, the whole world sees that, but I'll allow for it.
Doctors are Scientists, they use Science to cure the sick.  Now you know.  FYI,
I did attend medical college (College of Osteopathic Medicine & Surgery) to
augment my skills as a research Scientist.

> James = From my research with rats, one out of 10 controls (who receive
> NO TREATMENT for the cancers they have) will spontaneously "heal" from
> the cancer.  One could say two things, that 1 in 10 will get lucky and
> the body will find a way to defeat the cancer, or god loves only 1 out
> of 10 albino sprague dawley lab rats who are dying of cancer.
>
> Legion = Rats huh? LMAO

	What, god doesn't like (and save) 1 in 10 rats?

> James = Until you can show me a 100% cure rate with prayer, I'll reject
> it.
>
> Legion = You do not live forever James, accept it..... as everyone dies
> from something! Cancer, old age..... and even boredom (in which I'm
> about to die of right now in writing this e-mail).

	Then why did you send it?  All you did was contribute to my ever
growing database showing the fallacy of belief in fictional gods.  You wasted
YOUR time just as much as I wasted MY time in replying to it.

> James = And religion does not, it claims to be flawless, and
> unquestionable!
>
> Legion = Typical wannabe perfectionist! Are you implying that Science as
> we know it can't be questioned...... when it changes DAILY????

	And I ask you, when was the last time RELIGION was updated or changed?
The answer is NEVER.  Which would YOU prefer, Science, or god?

> James = Prayer = psychotherapy.  Happy thoughts can cure disease as
> well as religion.  The body responds to the mind, thus depression
> causes illness, and conversely, happiness causes health.
>
> Legion = Science = ignorance! You believe what you are told, just as the
> Christians do. You cannot prove any of it, its all here-say! NASA has
> all the answers don't they..... its a pity they still can't figure out
> how to keep a ship from crashing into the earth! My God..... how far
> they've come! NASA = Need Another Seven Astronauts (why not try out,
> James)?

	I've said it before, I offtimes wish that before people like you can
receive medical treatments, you must first denounce your god, otherwise the
medical facility should send you home to pray for salvation.  Science =
ignorance, huh?  Next time you need medical care, remember YOUR OWN WORDS!

> Take Care......
>
> (Apologies for any mistakes in grammar, way too tired to go back and
> check)......

	I could care less, I understood what you said.  I am frustrated that
you choose darkness/demons/mythos to knowledge/understanding/growth.

James

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:47:07 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
To: jeff
Subject: Re:

jeff wrote:
>
> I finally realize the world in which you live.
> Actually it is more like a state the state of
> confusion.

	That which is unexplainable to you, and confusing to you is simple to
me because I am as achieved (and even in excess of) the gods you worship.

> First you say you don't sin then you say you
> are not without sin. You just stated a very
> important fact probably the most truthful one
> you have stated since our chats. The Bible
> sates we are not without sin  good job.

	For example, you many times verbally attacked me, then expect my
forgiveness, it isn't going to happen.  I don't call you a sh*thead for
example, even tho you are one, because it would hurt your feelings.  I don't
point out your atrocious spelling, even tho it is true, again this would hurt
your feelings, and is pointless.  Those kinds of sins I avoid.  However I do use
illicit drugs (rarely) and alcohol (sometimes) which is a sin, but I am careful
not to harm others in the process of performing those sins.

	I distinguish types of sin, and AVOID harming others, you do not.

> What does Santa Claus have to do as to why
> you are intimidated by God. You gonna say
> you never believed in Santa has a child bet you

	I was told by my mother from the start that santa was a lie, I deduced
on my own that all myths are a lie by the age of 10.  The parallels between
santa and god are that both are false, both are myth.

> didn't think it was silly. You know what is beyond silly thnking that
> Julius Caesar was
> Jesus Christ.

	Caesar asked Piso to create the savior of the slaves to have his
initials so that as the slaves swore their love of JC, the real pontifex
maximus (the living god of Rome) so he could have a nice belly laugh.  The bible
is FULL of these clues, only known to the Roman aristocracy.

> You talk about christianity as a crutch and
> christians not exhibiting a high mentality  I
> would not go around claiming to have mental
> capabilities and say there was no God.

	The prerequisite of deism is a weak mind.  If your mind were stronger,
you too would be an atheist.  There is no such thing as a dumb atheist.  :o)
Before you mention the posts from dumb kids praising satan, remember, they are
NOT atheists, they are satanists (there is a difference).

> The reason you say drdino.com is bunk is
> because he knows more than you.

Dr. Dino's Jury Trial is set for December 9
creationist Kent Hovind's arrest on assault, battery, and burglary charges
http://www.skepticnews.com/features/03/01/10/1252207.shtml

Dr. Dino Fraud : The $25,000 "Challenge" is a Fraud. But so are his academic
credentials.   http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9917/vlaard/

Suspicious Creationist Credentials : Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) etal claim ??
academic degrees.  http://talkorigins.org/faqs/credentials.html

The Dissertation Kent Hovind Doesn't Want You to Read : An interesting look
into "Dr." Dino's claim to credentials. The referenced page "Where did you get
your degree?" has been removed from the Dr. Dino website.
http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/bartelt_dissertation_on_hovind_thesis.htm

The Wild World of Kent Hovind : Does Mr. Hovind have tax problems?
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9917/hovind/wild_hovind.html

Hovind Bankruptcy Decision : The debtor having failed to file his federal
income tax returns for at least three years 1989 through 1995, having resisted
collection efforts by the IRS, and having provided false information in his
schedules and statement of affairs in connection with this case, I find that
the debtor filed this petition in bad faith and as such the petition is subject
to dismissal for cause under the provisions of 11 U.S.C. 1307(c).
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind-decision.html

Drdino.com, a leading misleading website.
http://hometown.aol.com/darwinpage/creationism.htm

> The man use to  be atheist until he
> realized how wrong he was. You dont like it because you are afraid to be
> proven wrong

	The man appear to be a con artist and appears to have realized how
lucrative the cash cow christianity is.  How much of YOUR money did he get?

James

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:18:31 -0600 (CST)
From: jeff
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject:

first that article was wrtten by a skptic and has no credibility.
secondly if you had actually read the article you would have seen where
he was aquitted. that means he was found not guilty and the charges were
dropped.
thirdly and i agree 1000 percent that it is not his fault that you and
atheist like you are ignorant enough to think you came fro a rock.
read the article before you run you r mouth next time.

2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 THEREFORE IF ANY MAN BE
IN CHRIST,HE IS A NEW CREATURE OLD THINGS
ARE PASSED AWAY, BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE
BECOME NEW.

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 20:54:14 -0500
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Look at this

Since you said a good typical Christian doesn't cut anyone down I will
state nothing of my religious beliefs. But you are a complete f*cking
retard. Stop with the pussy "f*ck the world" act and actually grow the
hell up. Maybe that bullsh*t works with your f*cking parents and
therapist but listen cock sucker it doesn't with me. If you want to go to
hell so f*cking bad, kill yourself you'll take me and your f*cking self
out of your so called "miserable" life. Grow up and realize you're full
of sh*t and you're going to rot in hell you stupid faggot lover. And go
ahead and post this on your website, I know you won't so I'm not afraid.
Actually I could care less if your lil' razorblade sex cutting crew knew
my email address you can all go lick pussies and blow cocks as far as I'm
concerned. And by the way, you can't put me under the "christian idiots"
category, I didn't say I was a christian but I'm for f*cking sure not a
low life loser antichrist wanna be like your faggot ass. And the
antichrist was from rome you dumb mother f*cker, your probably some Ohio
State loser like Marylin Manson that only imagines he was something as
infamous as the f*cking antichrist. So like I said grow up and stop with
the lil "f*ck the world" act, it only works with your mother. I don't
want to give low lives anymore of my day so I'm out. SEE YOU IN HELL
TINKER BELL!!! Wait, you're the only one going there. Peace out faggot.
P.S. YOU'RE JUST A MOTHER F*CKING WANNA BE!


Editor's note: This youngster is either jealous that we have the website
               he wishes he had, or just needs a good spanking.


Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:37:30 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re:

jeff wrote:
>
> first that article was wrtten by a skptic and has no credibility.

	First, that statement (above) was made by a christian (you) and thus has
no credibility.  I hope you see/understand the point I just made.  ;o)

> secondly if you had actually read the article you would have seen where
> he was aquitted. that means he was found not guilty and the charges were
> dropped.

	He was not acquitted, he was not found not-guilty, and the charges were
NOT dropped!  On line 55 of the docket dated 12/9/2002 it clearly says "STATE
ANNOUNCES NOL PROS".  I suppose you don't know anything about law, past
experiences with you suggest this is true.  To explain, nol pros is short for
the latin "nolle prosequi" which means "unwilling to pursue".  The state was
`unwilling to pursue the matter'.  This does NOT mean he was innocent, it
merely means that because of his financial status, nothing was to be gained.
http://205.152.130.14/cv_web_1b.asp?ucase_id=12619523

	The criminal charge will remain on his criminal record for life.  If it
ever happens again, that record will be used to show he had `priors'.  If he
was truly innocent (or just plain smart) he would have used his right to a
trial to be found by the jury not guilty and have the record expunged.

> thirdly and i agree 1000 percent that it is not his fault that you and
> atheist like you are ignorant enough to think you came fro a rock.

	We did, actually, organic chemicals were converted from inorganic
chemicals by lighting.  Thus lightning is in fact, god (the creator of life).

> read the article before you run you r mouth next time.

	I did read it, and I understood it completely.  It's you who apparently
read it but failed to fully understand it.  I'm not a lawyer, but at least I
know the difference between not-guilty and nol pros.

James

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 20:25:33 -0600 (CST)
From: jeff
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re: Re:

apparently you dd not read his side of the
story.you just read what the atheist probably wrote in the first place.
he plainly said he was aquitted so get your story right rock man.
for the record God breathed into the nostrils
of man (his creation) the breath of life.
so you keep being stupid

2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 THEREFORE IF ANY MAN BE
IN CHRIST,HE IS A NEW CREATURE OLD THINGS
ARE PASSED AWAY, BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE
BECOME NEW.

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 20:44:47 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re:

jeff wrote:
>
> apparently you dd not read his side of the
> story.

	Oh wow, you are INCREDIBLE!  I just about pissed my pants laughing at
your ridiculousness right now.  ;o)  Do you even realize what you just said?

	You always say that charley manson (the mass murderer) is not a child
of jesus, but of satan (even tho he claims to be of jesus).  You also assume
that he is guilty of crime.  Apparently you did not read HIS side of the story!

	I hope you now see how ridiculous you are by example.

> you just read what the atheist probably wrote in the first place.

	I read the record of the court.  I have no way of knowing if the judge
was theist or atheist.  Since it was a record of the court, it is legally true.

> he plainly said he was aquitted so get your story right rock man.

	What he says is irrelevant, just as charley manson claiming he was only
performing the murders asked of him by god.  What matters is what the court
says, and in Dr. Dino's case, the court did NOT say he was innocent!

> for the record God breathed into the nostrils
> of man (his creation) the breath of life.
> so you keep being stupid

	Don't you realize how silly those words sound?  The evolution of life
on this planet has been a LONG process taking MILLIONS of years, it wasn't done
over night by some cosmic muffin whom you call god.

James

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 23:08:17 -0600 (CST)
From: jeff
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re: Re:

i see how ridiculous you are by your examples.
perhaps your smoking your drugs or drunk at least that would be a
disclaimer for your stupidity. what is irrelevant is your so called
genius. what is relevant is you need to accept
the truth. manson is burning in hell right now so you can get his side
of the story when you get there because i really don't care what the
ignorant creep has to say.i know how silly you
are and i have proved it tremendously. you still
refuse to answer a lot of my questions in my e-mails because you know i
am right and you just can't admit you are wrong. six days this earth was
created not billions of years.
to answer your question where did lead come from well my God that spoke
the world into existence clearly spoke that into existence too.
Go ahead laugh and pee your pants maybe it
will put the fire out when you are roasting in
Hell.NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 THEREFORE IF ANY MAN BE
IN CHRIST,HE IS A NEW CREATURE OLD THINGS
ARE PASSED AWAY, BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE
BECOME NEW.

Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 01:04:03 -0600
From: First Apostle James <james@antichrist.net>
Subject: Re:

jeff wrote:
>
> i see how ridiculous you are by your examples.

	That's not up to you or I to decide, but the thousands who visit the
motherload 4 section to decide on their own.  :o)

> perhaps your smoking your drugs or drunk at least that would be a
> disclaimer for your stupidity.

	Again, which of us is stupid is up to the readers to decide.

> what is irrelevant is your so called
> genius. what is relevant is you need to accept
> the truth.

	If it can be proven, it is true and I accept it.  This is good Science.

> manson is burning in hell right now so you can get his side
> of the story when you get there because i really don't care what the
> ignorant creep has to say.

	Manson is still alive you idiot, he's alive and in prison.  Man, your
realm of knowledge is so very VERY narrow.  Do a little research will ya?

> i know how silly you
> are and i have proved it tremendously.

	Again, this is not up to us to decide, but for the readers to decide ON
THEIR OWN.  They will read both our words and draw their own conclusions.

> you still
> refuse to answer a lot of my questions in my e-mails because you know i
> am right and you just can't admit you are wrong.

	I answer every question, in fact, I routinely show you as a silly silly
man when I do it.  :o)  Everyone can see that too.

> six days this earth was
> created not billions of years.

	Now these kinds of remarks I ignore, because that's just silly.

> to answer your question where did lead come from well my God that spoke
> the world into existence clearly spoke that into existence too.

	Wow, so why does Uranium become lead in millions of years then?

> Go ahead laugh and pee your pants maybe it
> will put the fire out when you are roasting in
> Hell.NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

	Hell does not exist.  Neither does heaven.  Enjoy the life you have
right now, it is the only life you will ever have.

James

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 23:57:53 -0800 (GMT)
To: haydn@antichrist.net
Subject: Antichrist

Hello Haydn,

I'm just curious. You say that you are the Second Apostle to the
Antichrist. So who is this Antichrist that you speak of? If Jesus came
back to this God forsaken world, do you think that he would come back as
Christ for the second time? What if (I) - realizing that I was God's Son -
like in the Bible became filled with inner turmoil realizing that all
Christians were wrong. That not only was I powerless to do anything about
it, but instead took on the only logical personification of my Father the
Devil. If Jesus came to this world a second time, would he not come as the
embodiment of evil? The Antichrist. God and the Devil are the same person.
Although there may be many people running around claiming to be the
Antichrist. You and I know that there is only one Antichrist. Believe me,
he is here, and he is watching you realizing that his children are so
close to him. You may think that I am insane. I'm not. Keep creating doubt
in the weak minds of those poor dumb Christians. Those poor lost sheep
will never find their way home, I'm afraid. You might not want to publish
the letter that I sent to you the other day. As a favor to me. So far I've
heard three humans claim to be the Antichrist. Although it amuses me, I
don't like it. There's only one Antichrist and will only ever be one true
Antichrist. All others are false. I, however am not.

Good night Haydn, sweet dreams.

Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 07:15:50 -0600 (CST)
From: jeff
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re: Re:

your motherloads are bunk. once again the only people who agree with you
are you stupid atheist pals. the christians all agree with me and that
already has been proven. [1] you said can
1000 christians all be wrong and your answer was they are well can all
the atheist be stupid yes definitely.[2]
trouble is your science theory never had a chance to be proven right
because God is the creator regardless of what you atheist say.[3]
sorry got my scum ags mixed up must of been
thinking of ted bundy wishful thinking on mansion part.[4]

can you count to two. i have explained twice that heaven is a threefold
reality. you have not commented, i have told you twice that in the book
of Isaiah that God calls Lucifer Satan
and you fail to comment. you have not answered all my questions so quit
lying.
post this in your stupid site i am sre christians would love to know how
you avoid the truth.
I will enjoy my life you fruit cake. my Lord has blessed me with so many
things to enjoy. [5] it is
people like you that screw this world up. this
stinking sinful earth is the worst i will ever have.
i have a mansion awaiting me where i will see my blessed Lodr's face.
in the book of Revelation it tells of how people like you will have heir
part in the lake of fire. [6]
it says anyone who adds tothis book(you have
by twiting scripture) or takes away (you have by
denying) shall have their name taken out of the book of life. don't
worry your name is not there anyway. go find another turnip truck to
fally off of you stupid ignorant moronic silly piece of low life crap.

2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 THEREFORE IF ANY MAN BE
IN CHRIST,HE IS A NEW CREATURE OLD THINGS
ARE PASSED AWAY, BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE
BECOME NEW.


Editor's note: [1] The subject states the obvious, however it has not yet
               been proven that all christians agree with him. [2] As we
               have all seen here, there are plenty of examples of stupid
               christians and satanists, however I have yet to see even
               one stupid person who is atheist. Stupidity and atheism are
               contradictory, whereas religion was made for the weakest of
               minds. [3] Unlike creationism, Science requires proof. [4]
               The subject only rarely, as in this case, admits his most
               obvious errors. [5] The subject has reported that he is
               unemployed, disabled, and living off the taxpayers. [6]
               Most of us today no longer believe the earth is flat, and
               that below the earth is a lake of fire, nor above is heaven
               (the place where the Space Station now orbits).


Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:44:26 -0500
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Please Write Back

Hey, whats up with you not writing me back? I was completey nice to you
but you just avoid me. I guess that shows how much of a man an atheist
really is. It just goes to show you, without God you're nothing but a
coward. Thank you for helping prove my point, I'm posting both my emails
on my own website and have my "atheist idiots" section, maybe you can go
to it to feel how stupid you really are. Well anyways thanks for allowing
me to see how scared the atheist and wanna be antichrists really are.
You're nothing but a coward that wants attention from his mommy so you do
this whole rebelion act. Well like I said it doesn't work with me, it
only works with your parents. Thank GOD I don't have a kid like you, I
would be so disappointed. You're a loser. Bye KID.

JTrig


Editor's note: I refuse to incite another "Jeff" and refuse to write to
               this person.  As we can all see, the mind of this person is
               ill equipped to logically debate with me (as is the case
               with "Jeff").  By not replying to these people, perhaps I
               won't need to create a MOTHERLOAD 5, given that I already
               did not want to create this MOTHERLOAD 4!


Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 14:59:56 -0600 (CST)
From: jeff
To: james@antichrist.net

Just like I said before that site about Dr. Dino was written by a
skeptic and has no credibility,Let me explain what a skeptic is, A
skeptic is one who simply does not know what to believe. He doesn't know
what is right so he tells people to make their own minds up. This writer
of this site did not know what the hell he was talking about plain and
simple. You can keep trying to attack christians but you will never win.
Why don't you do research. On your site you
said christianity was formed by the Romans to keep slaves in line.
Here is the truth. The people that believed that
God was the creator did not make good slaves so your claim is just like
you STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID. Choke on that
braniac and burn in Hell I don't care anymore.
You are wrong there is a God and you will soon
find out. Another thing you did not care to comment on was when I proved
that your little stupid science KILLS. The field of science killed
that little 17 year old girl by giving her the wrong blood.     I guess
everyone in the science field is stupid. what a shame. I hope you post
this
christians need to know that there is someone more intelligent than you
who knows the truth
Once again I prove science sucks. one more for
 the good guys. Jesus lives forever. Christ is King. Glory to God in the
highest. Bye Bye

2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 THEREFORE IF ANY MAN BE
IN CHRIST,HE IS A NEW CREATURE OLD THINGS
ARE PASSED AWAY, BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE
BECOME NEW.


Editor's note: Even when the champions of their cause are proven to be
               charlatans, the fundamentalist christian continues to cling
               on to their lies for dear life, a paradox given that the
               fundamentalist christian believes that this life sucks, and
               the afterlife is superior, why do they cling so dearly to
               the life they now have? Christianity sells poverty, and
               submission, and precludes you from defending yourself. This
               religion is suitable for slaves. It keeps them docile for
               their masters. On the final point, anyone killed by Science
               is dead anyway. Anyone who is so seriously ill that they
               need a blood transfusion is likely to die very soon if
               given no treatment at all. Mistakes happen, however
               countless lives are saved by modern medicine, and by
               Science, even this person "Jeff" benefits from Science tho
               he refuses to admit it. I am however troubled by his
               constant statement that "Science sucks" given that Science
               produced his prosthetic leg, and of course, saved his life.
               He is a typical [classic] christian hypocrite who deserves
               none of the benefits Science offers to all.


Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 20:20:16 +0000
To: haydn@antichrist.net
Subject:

Do you believe that the next pope will be the antichrist?

Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:49:37 -0800 (GMT)
To: james@antichrist.net
Subject: Re: Re: Antichrist

James