On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, denicius wrote:
> dear james, frederick, and all atheist in Jesus Christ.
Don't worry, it was forwarded out to everyone on our mailing list, you
will hear from some of them I'm sure (most notably, Fred). :o)
> Christian is about a believe and fate in God (Jesus Christ), for He
> had died to save u and me. there's no meme in it.
Let's just say, hypothetically, that your god does exist, and just over
two thousand years ago he did murder his own child to grant you salvation. How
is human sacrifice (a bizarre practice that has taken form all over the world,
in too many forms to list) indicative of a "god" worthy of your worship? This
god of yours is supposedly omnipotent, he didn't need a payment [in blood] to
grant you "eternal salvation", all he had to do was give his OK. The concept of
ritualistic killing, and the fact that christians carry around their necks a
reminder of the instrument of torture which was used back then (the cross)
sickens me. What would YOU think if you saw a small electric chair hanging
from a chain around MY neck? Think about that one for just one moment.
> you are the meme.
You don't understand what a meme is. Read the Meme Machine by Dr. Susan
Blackmore here. http://antichrist.net/meme-machines.html It should become
clear that christianity is indeed a meme. http://www.christianitymeme.org/
> both of u said that you are smart, ok that's fine, that's your opinion
The fact of our superior intelligence is emphatically NOT a matter of
anyones opinion, but unquestioned FACT. I was tested BY MY PEERS and found to
have an extraordinarily high IQ. My IQ based upon the Stanford-Binet test is
188, as well as 232 by the Cattell test (regarded as being more accurate for
those in the high genius category). I am currently ranked as the 114th most
intelligent living person on earth! Only a fool would take _those_ facts
lightly. However, a prerequisite of christianity is of course, to BE a fool.
> about yourself. both of you tyring to get a confession from others to
> tell that both of u are smart, but u are not. as a scientists, i
> believe both of u have written essays that's been added in some
> journals or magazine, about something in your field of study of
> proffesion. could u mailed them to me, i' like to read it, to see what
> kind of scientists both of u.
There are so many, over a wide variety of fields from bioengineering
(creating life, just as your god supposedly did) to electronics used in robotic
space exploration. If you would be more specific please. ;o)
> i want to see what kind of values you've
> had. not all scientist just like u. my lecturer is clever and smart,
> but he does not an atheist like u, infact he is a good christian.
I've been working on developing adaptive technologies for the blind, to
allow them access to the Internet. I have created text to speech engines, and
screen readers which operate under the Linux kernel, and are available free to
anyone with a need. I do this _purely_ to help the blind, since they are by
far the most vastly ignored disabled group that I know of. One of my close
friends was born blind, and that's how I came to discover their plight.
> people are different from animal and plants,
Your DNA is 50% identical with that of the house fly! Creatures as
vastly different from you as intestinal roundworms have genes whose DNA
sequence is so recognizably _similar_ to your own, it's as if they were both
just variant spellings of the SAME WORD! Thanks to the Human Genome Project,
we can now say with absolute certainty that YOU my friend, are genetically
98.4% identical to a chimpanzee (1.6% difference) and 97.7% identical to a
gorilla (2.3% difference). Further, your genetic code is 99.9% identical to
mine (whether you like it or not). Thanks to a few single letter differences
in certain key genes (called single nucleotide polymorphism or SNP) you believe
in bullsh*t (gullible) and I do not (skeptical). About 25% of all people are
born gullible with a need to believe, and thus they follow mostly one of the
three most popular gods, jesus, yahweh, or allah. Another 25% are born
skeptical, and are naturally born atheist. The Apostles and I share that
quality. The other 50% can go either way, with a little persuasion.
Humans are NOT special, but we ARE arrogant, and it is this arrogance
that causes man to create gods in HIS own image and proclaim their god and the
apple of their gods eye (man) to be the center of the whole universe.
Linkname: Our place in the christian Universe.
(Funny isn't it, that god created the earth so that 75% of it is covered in
water, and yet he did not create man with gills. Further, he created the whole
vast universe [see link above] ONLY for man, yet man can never go there, because
he made man to require oxygen to breathe. What a silly god.)
> because people have soul,
Quantify that please. The concept of a "soul" is about as vague and
unsubstantiated as the concept of ESP or the existence of ghosts.
> mine, heart, feelings, and hope. animal and plants don't have them.
If you can't see it, and can't quantify it, how do you know they don't?
> maybe you'd prefer to be like an animal ?
I would prefer to be god-like, that's why I follow Science. To follow
religion is to muck about in superstition, darkness, and fear (the stuff of
animals). It's fairly clear to anyone reading this text that YOU are more
animal-like than god-like, and I am more god-like than animal.
> The creation of a human by
> God is very awesome, that He turn u (and me) from dust to a
> fleshed-mankind with blood in your vein.
Nothing is perfect, nor efficient about our bodies or how we function.
Our bodily functions are no different from that of a mouse, we eat, we pee, we
sh*t, we have sex, and we bear live offspring, just like a mouse. The major
difference between the mouse and man is that we have evolved intelligence, we
are the primate, the top of the intellectual evolutionary ladder. The
advantage of intelligence is SURVIVAL, we can live everywhere, even in space!
The disadvantage of course is the incessant need to know, which can be
satisfied (with great difficulty) through Science, or using the easy path,
religion. Religion is to mankind what the pacifier is to a baby.
> you can not born human from
> dust, can u ?
Dust is mostly silicates, and we are carbon based lifeforms. Even
GODALMIGHTY can't create carbon based lifeforms from silicon. ;o)
However I _can_ take fractional proteins, and using the same
methodology that viruses use to reproduce, insert xenogenes into just about
anything I wish, to produce new transgenic lifeforms. By creating new kinds of
life, I would say that elevates me to the level of god, wouldn't you? ;o)
Using the enhanced GFP (pBI-EGFP) cDNA vector, the chicken beta-actin
promoter, and the cytomegalovirus IE promoter/enhancer, I was able to produce a
transgenic rat, one which exhibited both the properties of a rat, and that of a
jelly fish. Under excitation of a UV blacklight, this rat would glow bright
green (just like a rock band poster back in the 1970's). Granted, this is not
creating life from scratch, but in 10 years, I'm sure we'll do that too.
Now if you too want to "do the work of GODS", I can show you how.
Probably the best way to start out is as I did, using the EGFP (enhanced green
fluorescent protein) vector and signaling probe (EGFP is the red-shifted,
mammalian codon optimized variant of the natural GFP) available from clontech
(distributors of the "Living Colors" transgenes). Buying your vector and
signaling probe from clontech assures the highest yield mammalian expression.
> you're right that "human existance is so special",
Human existence is irrelevant, we are a fluke in the universe, we have
no purpose, nor do we have any "god-ordained" special right to be here.
> because from the beginning we are very special, until evil had
> persuaded eve and adam (and u).
If god is omnipotent, and created everything, logically then, god even
created evil. If this is true, as it indeed MUST be true, then why can't _he_
do anything about it? Why must "god" torment us the way a child with a
magnifying glass torments ants on an ant hill? To see your god through MY eyes
is to see an evil sadistic fiend! Luckily for me however, I do not beLIEve
that god(s) exist, as I have found OTHER, more PLAUSIBLE explanations for why
we must suffer in life, and to explain why we move against entropy. (entropy of
course is the actual _cause_ of all our suffering)
> the image of God that's been given to
> you (and all of us) then become destroyed, because God can not stayed
> in unholy place (body) of yours.
Let's get back to that good versus evil thing. If god created evil,
and evil is _clearly_ more powerful than god (able to as you say, command my
body and soul, yet god is powerless to stop this) then wouldn't evil be the
_true_ creator, and most logically, the creator of this "god" as well? Perhaps
evil (call it satan if you will) created the universe, and then created a puppet
dictator (god/jesus) just to taunt you, just to make you jump, so he can LAUGH
at you! ;o) SATAN controls this puppet, and only I am wise enough to see it.
Keep in mind the aforementioned is merely a logical exercise, presuming
of course certain things to be true (one of which, creationism, and arguing who
was responsible for same). I've never seen anything to indicate the existence
of a creator, and vast amounts of evidence to suggest evolution, thus the above
logical foray is merely what it appears to be, mental masturbation. :o)
In your next letter, be sure to answer the following:
1) God created _everything_ (true or false).
2) God created evil. (true or false, see question #1).
3) Why is evil more powerful than god?
3a) If evil is NOT more powerful, why is god powerLESS to stop
4) Why do you worship a god powerless to stop evil?
5) Why has evil been able to take control over me, but not god?
6) If evil is more powerful than god, why don't you worship evil?
> your body have been broken. in the
> 1st place, God was given guidances of how to live in proper rules and
> obedience to Him. unfortunately, man, with his free willing, had
> chosen to broke that obedience and took the evil guidance rather than
> God's. you don't know what are the truths and falses, because you are
> counting in your demonic-evil god behind your sciences to lead your
> direction of life. you use your brain and your physical strength to
> life, that all of them were just a dust.
The only rules I follow are _Scientific_ rules. Unless something can be
proven with reliability, and results reproduced by anyone repeating an
experiment, I dismiss it as bunk. God and religion is bunk! You are obviously
a hypocrite since you clearly USE technology (and isn't use a form of worship)
and thus you worship Science, your enemy, the force of evil!
> to get to know God, we don't have to be "smart",
This is true, even stupid people believe in spooks. Conversely, it is
nearly impossible to get a wise man to believe in the unreal.
> but we must have
> fate, beliefs, and love,
Faith is what gamblers have, it is random chance, you can win OR lose.
I don't have faith, I don't gamble, rather I try to guide my way in a manner
consistent with survival and success. The life expectancy for people like
myself is unsurprisingly rather long. ;o)
> few things that your atheist-myth don't
> understand and don't have.
Atheist myth? ;o) "By one count there are some 700 scientists with
respectable academic credentials (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life
scientists) who give credence to creation-science, the general theory that
complex life forms did not evolve but appeared abruptly." - Newsweek, June 29
> you read "smart" in my previous e-mail, as
> if me, or us Christian is a fool.
You ARE all fools. Silly, childish fools! You believe in a god the
way a child believes in santa clause! How could you say this is NOT foolish?
You accept as truth, a control meme invented by the romans to placate their
slaves. Are you familiar with the fable "The king has no clothes"?
> actually, you don't understand what
> i meant. your definitions of "smart" and "idiot" are different to me
> (and us Christian). you counted "smart" by numbers of values created
> by human, for that u know that human have lot's of "lacks".
So tell me, _why_ do you worship your god, is it for the reward
promised you after you die, or do you not care about that? If your god
promised hell to all, would you still worship him? Why is it right to worship
this god of yours? Do you do it for selfish reasons?
> so, from your reply, i found that argued with you will just end in
> nothing except wasting my time and energy, that i could have spent for
> another things.
You will NEVER encourage me to become stupid. I will die atheist, with
my eyes open wide, a bit pissed, but satisfied in knowing that I hold the truth
to this pointless existence on this rock called earth.
> but that's fine. u don't have love, hope, heart (to
> hear), eyes (to see), affection (to give), and mind (to think),
> because u don't believe in God.
Love is a positive mutation (survival trait) which came from our
reptilian ancestry, the desire to breed. Reptiles do not experience love, they
simply mate, lay their eggs and walk away. If humans (or any mammal for that
matter) were to drop their young and walk away, they would be extinct, thus the
currently living mammals do NOT do that!
Why would you believe that a Scientist, and Antichrist, and an Atheist
would be incapable of love? Genuine love, I do feel, however I do not waste my
love on idiots. I do not love you, in fact, you are about as precious to me as
a bucket full of cockroaches. You are basically nothing more than worthless
biomatter, since you will NOT help mankind get to the stars (and mankind
effectively BECOMES GODS) then what good are you, really?
> that is something to fix. as a
> scientist, i believe you always trying to fine the real facts by your
> self in your laboratory. ok, but i challenge u. sent to me this :
> love, affection, hope, and faith to my place inside a box, written :
> "scientific proven" from "james laboratory", so that (as u always
> said) i can also get the facts of "your sciences" (i assumed clearly
> to my self, that your science is different with another.
Love can be mimicked chemically using drugs such as MDMA or even
chocolate! If love is nothing more than a chemical released in the brain, I
could conceivably put "love" in a box and mail it to you. Love exists in our
society because without it, we would become extinct, the fact we are NOT
extinct is why we express love (and civility). Reptiles do not experience
love, and do not raise families, or create civilizations. MOST of the reptiles
that once inhabited this earth ARE EXTINCT for that reason! If something
should happen to man (like what killed off the dinosaurs) we would all work
together so that at least some of us would survive! That is _exactly_ how we
have survived extinction in the past, by cooperation (a HUMAN instinct).
Oh, and where again did the bible mention dinosaurs?
> your science
> is bad science).
But I bet you come crawling to it EVERY TIME you are sick, totally
abandoning your god, and allowing MY god (Science) to cure you, whereupon after
you're cured, you thank your own worthless god (random chance) for the cure. I
suggest the next time you get sick, you instead go to church and pray for
healing. Most people are hypocrites, they ABANDON THEIR GOD COMPLETELY WHEN
THEY FALL ILL, wallow in MY religion, which is Science, find a cure, then go
BACK to worshiping their worthless "god" once Science makes them well!
> i am sure, someone was already challenge u to do
> this, but have u succeed ?
You want me to send you human dopamine?
> what ... ??? you haven't ??? because you
> don't have them or because your sciences did not working (although u
> have great tools of your sciences) ? ok, i am waiting, if u still
> behave like a mouroon.
You assume too much, just because YOU don't understand something, does
not mean that someone _else_ (myself for example) also doesn't understand.
> i do values life, but in true manner.
Then die now, get to your mansion of gold in heaven NOW! Why wait?
Aren't aborted babies there already? What's keeping you holding on to this
[obviously] worthless temporary life of suffering here on earth?
> i believe that with this short
> life of mine, i must do everything right according to GOD's will.
You sound like a radical muslim. ;o)
> i don't care if i have to die in the next second,
Christianity is also about the loss of the survival instinct. :o/
> all i do care about is
> i must give HIM (JESUS CHRIST THE LORD) the best of me, because HE
> already gave me the best of HIM in the 1st place : HIS LIFE.
I still don't understand how a god would kill his own child, a blood
sacrifice, to encourage him to do something that he could have done WITHOUT
killing his own child. Your god sounds a bit crazy to me!
> it is not
> hard to know what are exactly GOD (JESUS) want us (u and me) to do.
> open your "eyes", man... you do not know where to find HIS (JESUS
> CHRIST THE LORD) "will", do u ? well, read THE BIBLE, then you will
> find it.
I read the bible, it's full of contradictions, violence, and sadistic
evil. Everything vile about mankind is in there. It's the _worst_ fictional
writing I have EVER read, period! I don't recommend reading it.
> becoming an atheist is not smart, but foolish.
It is true that I don't have the "false hope" that you have. However I
have something far more valuable, THE REAL TRUTH! Give me ugly truth over a
pretty lie ANY day! Now that I realize this life is the only life I am ever
going to have, I work very hard to PRESERVE it well!
> it's just like thrown
> your self from the advance level to a level where you are considered
> has no values (or maybe i will use your term : inferior). u depend on
> your science.
Advanced agriculture is a Science, and you depend on it to eat! Without
Science, this world could not support a population of 6 billion.
> know what ??? everything that science has been made
> until now, there are nothing new. everything that this world has done
> and created, in the past is already exists, because God has been done
> it first. don't be too stupid to not understand what i mean !!!
You are a mindless idiot, and it is indeed a waste of my time to write
to you. All of the wonderful things we have today are MAN MADE, not GOD made.
The only thing attributed to god are the bioforms on this world, and rocks.
Man takes rocks and oil, and makes computers. Clearly man has achieved FAR
more than what has been attributed to gods!
> ok, you are a god (what kind of god are u ? god of science ? or god of
> foolishness ? that's a relief for u).
Gods do not exist, however I am god-like, as I have created life by my
hands (and I don't mean by means of sexual reproduction).
> as u've become a god (as u told
> me), then a will "pretend" to pray to u : dear god (that has name :
> james), could u please make me a fish that is made from a cell of your
> blood ?
Yes, I could, in fact, I could (as one recent Scientist has done) give
it special attributes (he made a fruit fly with human muscles). :o)
I could not of course do it with just one cell of human blood, I would
need a bit more raw materials, just as nature (e.g.; god) does (food).
> i want this fish have heart, obedience in me and faith, also
> love to me.
You want a christian fish? :o) Blind subservience, obedience, and
servitude? You want what the Romans made their slaves into?
> could u do that dear god (james) ? if u can't james, then
> let's finished this conversation because you have failed to acts as a
> god, as u have proclaimed before.
How about a goat-spider that spins spider web from it's udder? Those
exist RIGHT NOW! Scientists have combined the genetics of the spider and the
goat. They use the spider web to weave light but strong bullet proof vests for
the military. Spider web is stronger and lighter than steel.
> what a pity. all this long you are
> talking rubbish. or maybe u can do this : please shown your self in a
> thousand places in a time and shake our hands, and talk together.
I'll make this simple and to the point. Your god supposedly can do
things like this. Make your god appear before me. If not, make him appear in
my mind to change my mind about Science and atheism. As you say, if you can
not do this with your god, "you are talking rubbish".
> that you are a god, and u are right now are existed in a thousand
> places and you are willing to give them hopes about your sciences. you
> are also can die, something that is GOD (JESUS CHRIST THE LORD) do not
> have. you are mortal, GOD (JESUS CHRIST THE LORD) is immortal. what a
> creep u are.
Nothing in this universe is immortal, one day the sun will die, even
the earth itself will one day die (being absorbed by the sun). I am only a
creep to you because I don't suck up your pretty stories, I require cold hard
(and yes, ugly) truth! Our being alive FLIES IN THE FACE of entropy, you MUST
understand that suffering is MANDATORY when you fight entropy as hard as living
organisms do! Everything on earth eats something else, we live because we take
_DEATH_ into our mouths! Again, we live by taking DEATH into our mouths!
> hey do you know the law of "conservacy of energy" ? this theory (that
> science has been proven), stated that energy can not be made (created)
> nor destroyed (turn it into nothing), so that mass and energy are
> quantitatively will always be constant.
Not exactly true, once you move to nuclear physics the rules change.
Matter cannot be created nor destroyed (Law of Conservation of Matter and
Energy). In the fields of chemistry, and physics, this has remained true for
hundreds of years. However recently my mom got a PET scan, and there is an
interesting property to a pet scanner (positron emission tomography). If for
example, a high energy X-ray photon collides with the nucleus of an atom, it
disappears, and two particles, an electron and an antimatter-electron
(positron) appear in its place. Here is an example of matter being produced
from NO matter. The energy has remained the same, but electromagnetic energy
was converted into matter! Once the positron (antimatter electron) collides
with a nearby electron (in say a water molecule) you get a matter/antimatter
disintegration, with guess what? The release of a gamma photon. So in
summation, your claim is true, in the past, but matter CAN be created AND
destroyed today (as has been going on in the stars and nova for billions of
years in the universe) and in hospitals with antimatter annihilations. ;o)
> this theory is againts u, that
> u can create a new form of life that's different (as u told me), from
> one cell of x thing and one cell of y thing. in essence, you just make
> the "colours" of it different, but there's nothing new you've been
> made. what a phatetic u are.
Diabetics used to die young, of complications from using pig or cow
insulin (a bad match for humans). About 10 years ago, human insulin
instructions (DNA) were inserted into common sh*t-eating bacteria (E. Coli) and
this transgenic bacteria eats manure and excretes insulin as a waste product
(instead of mercaptan). That's far more exciting, albeit not as glamorous as
what I did (making a green glowing rat). Should you become diabetic, and
require humulin, be thankful Scientists like me are around to make life better
for worthless piles of animate biomatter like you. :o)
> i see that you are one of "them" who encourage to have an abortion,
> homosexuality, freesex, and all other bad habits.
I think all of the above are stupid, and or just disgusting. However I
am also not arrogant (like you christians) in thinking that I am more
right-thinking than the next man, and I should choose FOR them.
Everyone is free to choose their own bliss, whatever makes you happy,
so long as your happiness doesn't harm me in any way. :o)
Now regarding the matter of monogamy, without even knowing you, I am
confident that you feel a desire to have sex with almost every pretty girl you
see. This is proof that humans are _supposed_ to be polygamous (just like the
other apes, chimpanzees, and so on). Another proof of natural human polygamy
is the fact that venereal diseases even exist, had they not the means to
propagate, they would NOT have evolved! RELIGIONS of course, promoted monogamy
as an early form of medicine (disease control) because they simply saw that
f*cking led to sexually transmitted disease, as soon as you began having
polymamous sex, you caught a disease. Ergo, the early people decided to teach
monogamy, whereby if you stick to your beliefs you will NEVER get a disease.
That's simple logic, NOT the will of some god! Today we also teach to wash your
hands, where in the bible does it say to wash your hands?
> i am curious, did u
> tell your friends, son and daughter and your wive (if u have them),
> your mother and father, and your entire family, to practise all of it
> ??? if yes, no wonder why AIDS (and new diseases) becoming so popular
HIV was first detected from a haitian woman in Florida back in the
1960's. Her disease was so puzzling, they froze her tissue samples in LN.
Later, in the 1980's they confirmed yes she was the first AIDS case.
Disease has ALWAYS been with us, behavior may enhance the spread, but I
assure you, nature is right now finding other ways to propagate disease.
> because of your falses morality. look ..... !!! what u have
> done ??? a new world, huhh .. ??? you and your science, do not make
> this world getting better, but worst it to hell.
In biblical times, life expectancy was short, in the time of Shakespeare,
people died by the age of 45 (Romeo and Juliet were 15 or 16)! Today you can
be expected to live at least to see your 72nd year, nearly DOUBLE the natural
lifespan! How can you say that life is hell today, compared to biblical times?
Leprosy (a biblical plague) was cured, with the invention of penicillin!
> instead of making bad
> things, why don't u repent yourself and prays for God (Jesus Christ
> The Lord) mercy ??? i am sure (totally sure), a 100% sure, that you
> will be forgiven.
You now speak for god? ;o) Maybe I (more than anyone else) has pissed
god off so much, that forgiveness is now out of the question. Maybe my global
anti-christianity campaign has made him "write me out of the book of life" with
no recourse? Is not your god a VENGEFUL god? Does he not (in the bible) smite
those who have transgressed him FAR less than I?
> as long science, medicine, attributes of man (such as materials,
> cloths, money, tv, magazine, computer, and all other stuffs),
> resources, etc, are used in correct path of used, that is according to
> God's (Jesus Christ The Lord) Obedience, then there will never be an
> atheist, or bad science.
I just wish I knew you well enough to point at you and cry "hypocrite"
every time you use MY religion (Science) to cure your ills. Pray for pneumonia
to go away, and the patient dies (about 95% of the time) while if you administer
antibiotics, the converse is true, the patient gets well (about 95% of the
time). :o) That's why people abandon god and seek medicine (Science) when
they are _truly_ in need. People everywhere know, SCIENCE WORKS!
> everything that's not stand as a "barrier" to
> the truth of God (JESUS CHRIST THE LORD), but encourage the spread of
> God (JESUS CHRIST THE LORD) words, will never considered as an evil
> thing. otherwise, yes. you've been turn everything that's true (God's
> Words/The Bible) to a false of your sciences. but, once again, you
> don't know GOD's "will", do u ? shame on u.
The christian gods will is to make me into a compliant slave. Show me
one place where jesus spoke _against_ slavery! Show me where he told slaves to
turn against their masters! Thanks to the bible (and christianity) slavery was
still going on in the mid 1800's and without the biblical admiration of
slavery, we might not be plagued today with negroes here in the USA (had we
NEVER brought them over here for use in slavery)!
> you said, that u don't believe in god. but you believe to the snake,
> and what it has done.
The story is a lie, snakes can't talk, neither can donkeys. I don't
believe in god, and I don't believe in genesis.
> well, that's another great pity for u. isn't
> sound silly !!! if u believe in the snake, then, you should have also
> believed there was and there is a GOD (JESUS CHRIST THE LORD).
There is no god, and no santa clause. Snakes are not evil, they do not
talk, nor are they intelligent beyond that of "feed and mate".
> in your
> previous email to me, you insist that knowledge (and science) was the
> first sin. well, that's true. the knowledge has turn u into a demonic
> person, wether u like it or not.
Knowledge is a double edged sword. Ignorance of impending doom is
probably better than knowledge of it. I look at my mom with cancer, and
because I am intelligent, I know I may one day be there too. Ignorant people
simply don't know that bad things can happen to them. Ignorance IS BLISS!
> see ... what a fool u are. if you
> believe that knowledge is the 1st sin, then you will admitt that there
> is GOD (JESUS CHRIST THE LORD), because these terms of : hell, heaven,
> evil and sin, are the terms that are used to shown the existance of
> GOD and evil.
Explain to me why god created evil, and why he can't control it. In
return, I'll explain to you about the 2nd law of thermodynamics (entropy) which
you know as "evil" and why _we_ can't control it. :o)
> can't u see ??? you, yourself, have admitting that there
> is a GOD, called JESUS CHRIST THE LORD ?
I was using it to draw an example you might understand. At no time do
I ever believe gods are real. I often (because you christians are too stupid to
realize it) disclaim my statements right after I make them.
I was trying to show you that the bible teaches experimentation, and
knowledge to be FORBIDDEN (forbidden fruit). The bible can't allow people to
become smart, and abandon the faith! The whole purpose of christianity is to
create new slaves, and keep the ones you have!
Everyone knows that education is the key to freedom, and IGNORANCE is
the key to enslavement. THAT is what I was eluding to when I made the adam and
eve (knowledge is the first sin) comments. Everyone knows that SMART slaves are
FREED slaves! Even tho it is bad form to quote oneself, here is what I said
once; "A man is only able to judge the facts, based upon the information which
is available to him. Give a man the complete and unbiased truth, he may still
follow the wrong path. However, if you deliberately provide a man with only
seemingly plausible falsehoods, religious dogma founded merely upon centuries of
tradition; propaganda, and outright lies, you destroy his ability to reason.
Thus, he becomes something less than a man; he becomes a slave."
> just get a mirror when you
> are get anggry, then you will see an evil there. go to the an orphant
> house (there is a hope remains), go to the Church (Jesus' chruch), you
> will find miracles (extraordinary and always new), and all the good
> things (love and affections) that's been happened to your life.
Again I ask, make your god either appear before me, or come to me in a
dream (if he's too weak to manifest in a physical form). I also openly ask "the
powers of darkness" to make SATAN or some other demonic creature appear before
me (or come to me in a dream). Prove to me devils or gods exist, nobody has
ever been able to do that, and the simple reason why is that GODS AND DEVILS DO
NOT EXIST PERIOD! Unless you can prove the existence of gods or devils, I
shall continue to champion Science as my cause.
> GOD (JESUS CHRIST THE LORD) who have done all that to u. U see, GOD is
> everywhere in your life. just admitt it, okey ! come on... don't be
> shy !!! :-) turn your life and get the everlasting life in HIM (JESUS
> CHRIST THE LORD). HE is the greatest of all god and evil that ever
> existed and still exist.
I don't want everlasting life! I'm not greedy, just what I'll have in
the next few decades of my life will be plenty, thank you.
To me having everlasting life would be a torture FAR WORSE than any
hell I can imagine. At some point _all_ immortals would welcome death!
> in this life, everything is not all about money, food, or attributtes
> human have had, but there's something precious and essential to search
> : that is the wisdom of GOD (JESUS CHRIST THE LORD). there is nothing
> wrong with the BIBLE (THE GREAT BOOK OF LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST THE
> LORD). it is 100% truth.
The bible says the earth is flat, has four corners, and is held up on
pillars. The bible is 100% FALSE! Today we can orbit in space and see that
our world is a sphere, so the part about being able to see the whole world from
a mountain top (impossible on a sphere) is also bullsh*t!
> no need evidence from scientific fields to
> perform. just thing this : you are weak, you are a flesh and made from
Dust is (as I said) mostly silicates. We are not silicon based life,
but carbon based life. We are made of diesel smoke. ;o)
> you have a tiny mind,
Speak for yourself. ;o)
> you are hopeless,
How presumptuous of you. ;o)
> you sleep (another
> "something" that GOD-JESUS CHRIST THE LORD- doesn't do),
I rarely sleep. :o/
> you live not
> more than 60 to 100 years (if GOD -JESUS CHRIST THE LORD- let u), and
> u f*cked yourself on the toilet (JESUS CHRIST THE LORD -THE GOD-
> doesn't do that). JESUS CHRIST THE LORD never get tired. He is
> completely unknown, for His (JESUS CHRIST THE LORD) mind ultimately
> above your mind (and me).
Jesus is a fictitious character, he was invented about 66 years after
his purported death. Jesus did not live in the flesh, he is a fictional
character in a book. Another example of a famous character who never lived in
the flesh is Luke Skywalker. Everyone knows who Luke is, yet we all realize
that Luke never lived, he is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER! Just knowing who a
fictional character in a book IS, does not bring the character to actual life!
> oh yeah, there's onething left. judas iscariot was not a saint, and he
> was not the facilitator of the salvation that i (and all of Christian)
> have received.
Uh, let's say he didn't turn in jesus, and jesus lived on, never being
crucified, became an old man, how would you have received salvation?
The story is illogical and poorly written, you MUST agree!
> judas iscariot, from the beginning was inherited an
> evil mind (as u have), or used by evil (as u are),
Again, how is it that evil is more powerful than god? How is it that
evil can work me like a puppet, yet god is powerless to stop it?
> so he betrayed GOD
> (JESUS CHRIST THE LORD) to the romans (as u do). GOD (JESUS CHRIST THE
> LORD) doesn't need anyone/someone to facilitator HIS purposes or
> plans. from the beginning of the fallen of eve and adam, GOD (JESUS
> CHRIST THE LORD) has planned to save this world from sin,
By dying, on the cross. Without the help of Judas, THAT WOULD NOT HAVE
BEEN POSSIBLE! Again, you should be THANKFUL to judas for helping!
> u and me, to
> get life in heaven. whether there was judas or not, GOD (JESUS CHRIST
> THE LORD) would and will still send HIS SON (JESUS CHRIST THE LORD) to
> save u and me, in the calvary.
Ok, let's say god was going to kill his child, a retroactive abortion
if you will, regardless of whether judas helped facilitate the killing or not.
If it was going to happen anyway, why blame judas? If by judas' action or
inaction the outcome was the same, why _hate_ judas?
> it's just because HIS (JESUS CHRIST THE
> LORD) love (John 3 : 16).
> i still left this option to u : choose GOD (CHRIST THE LORD) and you
> will be saved, or choose evil, then you will die.
We are ALL going to die anyway, our cells can only replicate so many
times, then the copies start going bad, we age, and die. Everything dies, even
non-living things die, that's entropy, that's REALITY!
> i have warned u. so,
> don't tell me that you are not. both of u (james and Frederick, + all
> the atheist), i invite you to renew your faith and beliefs to GOD
> (JESUS CHRIST), and let the Holy Spirit of GOD (JESUS CHRIST) lead u
> to the everlasting life in heaven,
So you basically have expressed to me that you believe in, and worship
jesus for SELFISH reasons (everlasting life). How is this different from the
islamics who worship allah in exchange for 72 virgins and all the sex they can
stand for all eternity after death?
That my friend is a meme, BOTH of those examples are memes!
> in the glory of bless' of THE
> FATHER, THE SON, and THE HOLY SPIRIT. may GOD (JESUS CHRIST THE LORD)
> bless u and forgive everything wrong u have done. you will change, yes
> you will. if not today, then tomorow. i just know it. :-). u still
> have "a little" more time. use it to think this, ok. bye.
I will die an atheist, be it tomorrow, or 40 years from now. Unless
something damages my brain and I drop a significant number of IQ points, I
shall never be sucked into the false promises of ANY religion.
James - 1010011010