On Thu, 02 Sep 2004, you wrote:
> I have to say you are a tool. You are Satan's tool.
Satan doesn't exist, and is as much a myth as Jesus or God! In case you
missed it, the palace of gold and eternal bliss is the carrot on the stick, and
SATAN is the kick in the ass, to MAKE you follow the religion which was created
to instill cooperation and resigned acceptance in the mind of the slave.
> Even though you
> don't believe in him, he believes in you and thanks you for the
> support of his cause.
There's a switch, most of you Christ puppets tell me that my father
Satan HATES me, and is going to torture me EXTRA SEVERE for believing in him,
and for helping him! You're the first to counter those claims. Like I said,
you're a Christian who is above average in intelligence, you SEE the failed
logic in a demon seeking help and offering only suffering in return.
Were Satan real, he would probably be offering a BETTER deal to come
worship him, because that's the nature of business, of competition!
>> By lost lives, I mean those who "live for
>> god" or "live in celibacy for Jesus", foregoing the happiness they
>> could have.
> Well, I'm happy right now.
No you're not, otherwise you'd have not ended up on MY WEBSITE!
> This is no thought virus.
Religion is false, yet you believe it is true. That is the absolute
_definition_ of a thought virus!
> You're living in
> a pointless existence where you move from point A to point B, blindly,
Just as nature has intended.
> finding comfort only in refuting others' beliefs.
Refuting belief is synonymous with telling the truth! I can PROVE that
Science is more effective than religion, as the efficacy of prayer is no better
than correctly guessing a coin flip. Faith is like luck, it's random chance,
sometimes you win, sometimes you LOSE! Science on the other hand, has an
expected rate approaching BETTER than 50%! If this wasn't true, we wouldn't
have so many hospitals, and instead would have more churches! Even _most_
Christians will resort to Science when they become ill, perhaps even you?
> I know I'm right.
> I've seen things that science can't explain. It's clear what is real.
No, you've seen things that _YOU_ can not explain. Give ME a whack at
it (or try another myth-buster, the Amazing Randi). So far, there has _never_
been any event which was beyond reasonable explanation using Science.
Linkname: James Randi Educational Foundation
>> I already understand. You are not dealing with someone who
>> is stupid,
> I am aware of your intelligence. I believe a year ago I talked to you.
Ruh row (said in my best Scooby voice). ;o)
> I am very impressed by your resume of knowledge, I just wish it was
> put to better use than try to slay Christianity.
Until Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are dead, we will (1) never have
peace on earth, and (2) never leave the cradle of earth to live amongst the
stars! You know this, and I know this. THAT is why I seek to destroy the
Christ meme (the self-replicating idea) that perpetuates pseudoscience.
> Because you know you
> can't put a big enough dent in it to justify it.
I'm doing my part to stop the spread of a disease, I have converted at
least a handful of people, but if I only saved ONE PERSON, that would have made
ALL of this worthwhile. Talk to Gabriel, the soon to be 7th Apostle about how
much better HIS life has become as he changed from allowing Christianity to
dominate his life, to now allowing Science to dominate his life!
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> Your reward will come James, for everything you've done so far.
I receive my reward(s) here and now! By the time you realize you were
wrong, your life will be over, and it will be TOO LATE!
> Last time I checked, the Big Bang theory was creating "something out
> of nothing".
Oh, you mean the way GOD HIMSELF was created out of nothing?
> The chance that an organized, perfect world just
> "happened to happen", and that somehow "life just happened to exist"
> is quite mind-boggling.
Want something even MORE mind boggling? Visit this URL, then read the
text, see YOUR place in the Christian Universe!
Linkname: Our place in the christian Universe.
Now as our ability to resolve images of deep space improves, the number
of galaxies that we find increases, the current technology estimates there are
400 billion galaxies in the universe (four times the number estimated just 10
years ago). Each galaxy has several billion stars, each star has several
planets, and with those kind of odds, you find it strange that WE ARE HERE?
Even with astronomical odds of winning the lottery, sometimes people
actually do win, just as sometimes life springs up on planets. In fact, it can
be argued that life springing forth is actually MORE likely than winning the
lottery, thus given all the lottery winners, it's easy to estimate there are
billions of planets in the Universe with some form of life!
Linkname: Origins of life (about mid-page).
> It's impossible for something to be created
> out of nothing, as the Big Bang suggests.
Then how did the ape-like god create himself, and from what? Remember,
God created man in his own image, thus God is an ape-like creature! If God
didn't create himself, who or what created him (the obligatory Übergott)?
> So somehow, an outside force
> must have created it.
Why do you people ALWAYS demand that things be created, can't they just
evolve through a process of natural selection, each replication better than the
one before it (due to the fact superior survives and inferior dies)? Are you
people ALL of such a factory mindset that you can't see this?
> I see it like this: we live in somewhat of a
> computer, metaphorically speaking. We can't venture on the outside,
> and we only have what is inside with us. Outside is a completely
> different world...the one God is in. He lives on different rules, so
> you can't expect Him to be governed by our laws of matter and gravity
> and such. They just don't apply because He's on a different playing
OK, then riddle me this Batman, who created God, and who created God's
creator? Take that to a billion plus places and keep going. :o) The universe
we see is unmistakably the tactile, REAL universe we have! All else is fantasy.
> Believe it or not, me talking to you only strengthens my faith. It
> makes me happy I wasn't born like you.
Conversely, I am happy that I wasn't born like you! ;o) They say
ignorance is bliss, because the ignorant don't know the truth, and have
nothing to worry about until suddenly *BANG* life is fired point-blank at
them, and they have a serious injury, or die. Lucky are those who don't dwell
on their own impending death, because they haven't the ability to reason.
>> world. Unlike Charles Darwin, who recanted his atheism (and all that he had
>> discovered and learned throughout his life), converting to Christianity on his
>> death bed, Dr. Carl Sagan died with his eyes open wide; with TRUTH.
> I thought that Darwin did die as an atheist. I read that the stories
> of him recanting his beliefs were lies.
I understand that he called for a priest and converted. I may be
mistaken, and if you can clarify that for me, it will be MOST appreciated. :o)
>> book he clearly shows that the middle ages were not the ONLY time in our
>> history where people were influenced by myth and mysticism, we are as affected
>> by it today as we were then!
> If Christianity is such a flat-out lie, why hasn't it died out along
> with the Greek, Norse, Egyptian, and Roman gods?
I think because those gods didn't have such a powerful enforcement
clause (both reward AND punishment). If someone offers you candy, you may say
no thank you and be on your way. If someone offers you candy and says "take it
or I'll stab your eyes out with this screwdriver", well then, I believe
compliance is significantly improved! The aforementioned gods failed to have an
enforcement clause (Satan) to maintain the survival of the respective memes.
It's good to see you questioning this, it proves that you will
eventually become atheist. When you do, send me your story. :o)
>> pretty stories for which there's little good evidence. Far better, it seems to
>> me, in our vulnerability, is to look Death in the eye and to be grateful every
>> day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides."
> That is exactly what Christianity is. Every day I go outside and enjoy
> God's creation. Being a Christian really makes every day worthwhile.
I do the same thing, I look up into the stars in wonder, and find peace
in and amongst nature. But how can this be so, for I am a dreaded atheist?
> Every day is an opportunity to live, and meet new people and
> experience new experiences. Christianity doesn't hold me back from
> anything, in fact, it drives me to get the most out of my life.
Why? This life is for suffering, it is the NEXT life where you really
get down and party! So why not take yourself out of this one NOW? Point after
point, I see evidence that you are on the cusp of becoming ATHEIST! :o)
> it says I shouldn't sin, but who would want to sin anyways? Sin like
> murder, adultery, dishonesty, selfish desires, lust, and greed are all
> self-destructive paths in life.
I don't sin. I won't say that I haven't, because I have, and a bunch,
but I try hard not to (because in the end comes the misery). I am monogamous,
faithful, and fearful of disease (probably the REAL reason the bible teaches
monogamy). I analyze everything I am about to do, every action I take, to see
if there will be unwanted consequences down the road, and avoid them.
> The Bible cautions us to steer clear
> of them, and it's a reminder to keep a healthy lifestyle, so I can get
> the most out of life.
In that aspect, it's a useful tool, but nowhere does it talk about
washing your hands (the best way to avoid the spread of disease). In that
sense, it was nothing more than an early version of the Merck Manual, which is
the bible I hold dear. The Merck Manual, if you've never read it, is worth the
20 dollars or so it costs for the hard bound (sold at cost of printing).
>> All you Christians ever do is resort to one form of trickery or
>> another, to try and substantiate that which you KNOW deep inside, to be false.
>> I'm probably twice the atheist that Sagan was, you're not going to trick me.
> I am aware I can never sway you from your beliefs. You are too
> dead-set in them. I'm just showing you mine, not trying to get you to
> abandon yours.
I only follow the truth. Show me reproducible evidence to the
contrary, and I will gladly follow your lead. Like any _true_ Scientist,
that's all we ask, PROVE the efficacy of gods and devils, and we will believe
in them, otherwise they are just bullsh*t, and a waste of our time.
>> face the REAL world at face value. Life is _supposed_ to be fired at us
>> point-blank, but you Christians hide in the corner, afraid to experience what
>> it feels like to REALLY BE ALIVE! You know what David? You don't need to fear
>> death, no not at all, because frankly, you are already dead.
> What defines "REALLY BE ALIVE!" ??? From where I'm standing, my life
> is fine and I'm enjoying it 100%. Nothing you can say will put any
> sort of dent in me and I appreciate you trying.
Talk to Gabriel about how much HIS life has improved from the moment he
stopped praying, and stopped believing in gods and devils, and immersed
himself deep into the study of Science. He has been on both sides of this
issue, and can be your best hope for a happier tomorrow.
James - improving the human condition, one customer at a time.